RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Getting started page

["Wayne Beaton" <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> I second that, and Tim's response was much politer than what 
> I was getting ready to write. 
> A Web Applications view is essential., How'd that drop off the radar? 

Gee... Let's be nice. If I missed something or screwed something up, it was
a mistake. Not an intentional slight. Honest.

> I do like the organization and content of the "second level" 
> pages, but that first page ... 
> 
> Starting off with "I" does not seem to be a "conversational 
> tone" if that's what was being attempted. 
> 
> Isn't the key to a conversation is to have two participants?  
> Two sides? 
> 
> I'd suggest something more like .... 
> 
>      Are you interested in a specific area of Callisto? 
> 
>           Yes, I create Web Applications. 
> 
>           Yes, I do C/C++ Development, and that's all I want 
> to know about. 
> 
>            What's all this I hear about Rich Client Platform 
> (RCP) applications? I want to make one. 
> 
>           I'm interested only in the plan 'ol   traditional 
> Java and Plugin Development. What's new? 
> 
>           No, tell me about everything that is in Callisto. 
> 
>           None of the above. I am an adopter of Eclipse 
> technology that builds add-on plugins on top. What 
>         should I know about Callisto? 
> 
> 
> Of course, no need to use those exact words ... but, hope the 
> convey my meaning, and a slightly different message to users. 

I'll change everything except the "plain 'ol traditional" part. People like
folksy language like that :-)

To be honest, I spent way more time on the second level stuff, so I'm
gratified that it doesn't totally irritate you.

> Contrast with the proposed 
>      I build Java Applications 
>      I build Plugins and RCP applications 
>      I build C/C++ applications
> That sounds to me like we are just forcing the user to answer 
> some survey questions before we let the in to the real site. 

That's good feedback that I hadn't considered.

> Use, or not, as you like (as long s "Web Apps" are added in 
> there somewhere :) 
> 
> And, to repeat the positive, those second level pages look 
> great, and very helpful to end-users. 
> I appreciate the work that is being put into them. Thank you 
> very much. 
> 
> 
> 
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> "Tim Wagner" <twagner@xxxxxxx> 
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> At the risk of sounding project centric...how about an "I build web
> applications"? That captures a larger user demographic than RCP
> developers.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Wayne
> Beaton
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:18 AM
> To: cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Getting started page
> 
> Hey folks. We've been putting some thought into some "getting started"
> information for the Callisto landing page. What we're thinking is that
> we'll
> include the three fancy graphics on this page:
> 
> http://eclipse.org/callisto/getstarted.php
> 
> Onto the landing page.
> 
> So...
> 
> I'm curious to learn how you feel about this page. Is it a good idea?
> Does
> it come close to providing what folks need? Do you like the format? Is
> the
> way it works more or less obvious?
> 
> Feedback and comments welcome.
> 
> I know that the C/C++ page doesn't exist yet. That's next (assuming
> enough
> of you like what's there so far).
> 
> And, I need a good concise (i.e. one sentence) description of 
> DataTools.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wayne
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