[news.eclipse.webtools] Re: BPEL4WS contribution

["Brian DeCamp" <nospamplease@xxxxxxxx>]

Vlad,

Thanks for the shared interest. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I
said in my proposal a UML based editor has some limitations for a BPEL
process editor framework.

I don't think it's possible to support BPMN using UML. Perhaps you can come
close though. You probably have a better idea than I do of how close you can
come to supporting BPMN.

Also, I'm not sure how thorough the integration with the Eclipse model would
be for your solution. For instance, BPEL offers many constraints on a model
which can be reflected in the Tasks view. Will your BPEL profiles offer this
kind of user feedback? How seamlessly will your solution integrate with the
WSDL and other tools that are required by BPEL? Many BP solutions offer a
form editor. Will your solution be extendable in such a way that allows
developers to plug in their own forms editor?

I could go on, but I think the general consensus from BPMI.org is that UML
is too generic to support the kind of functionality required for a fully
functional BPEL editor, hence the BPMN spec.

I do think a UML editor solution is quick, easy to learn and could be a nice
offer for limited modeling, and I think Omondo writes some excellent tools.
Please be free to disagree with me if you see things differently.

Brian



"vlad" <varnica@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:cb3lha$vcr$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Hello Brian,
>
> We had a look at your Business Process Editor Framework Proposal. We are
>   considering to add new UML 2 profiles for Business Process Editor
> Framework (BPEF) and extended to editors that create and deploy BPEL4WS,
> BPML.
> These BPEL/BPML UML2 profiles will be available in about 6-9 months
> inside our EclipseUML Studio Edition (it will be a new functionality of
> EclipseUML Studio, such as JDO which is also expected in
> October/November. No extra cost for registred users !!).
> We are commercial tool, but don't forget it will be free for academics,
> non-profit-making organizations and open source projects.
> If ISV/integrators want to add their own BPEL profiles inside Eclipse,
> we will be pleased to help them :-).
> Regards,
>
> Vlad VARNICA
> OMONDO
> Business Development Director
>
>
> Brian DeCamp wrote:
>
> > Sorry about that. Please try again.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > "Sergey Smirnov" <sim@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:cao0tb$jov$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>Brian,
> >>
> >>most of the images are missing in the proposal text. Could you update
> >
> > them?
> >
> >>Regards,
> >>Sergey Smirnov
> >>Exadel Inc.
> >>
> >>"Brian DeCamp" <nospamplease@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>news:can1br$d5v$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>>My proposal is available online at http://www.blackstonebay.com/bpef
> >>>
> >>>I've also sent a message to the wtp-proposal list.
> >>>
> >>>Brian DeCamp
> >>>Blackstone Bay Software, LLC
> >>>
> >>>"Arthur Ryman" <ryman@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>news:cafmk8$47r$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>>Christophe Ney wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Brian,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>That sounds a great proposal for contribution.
> >>>>>Do you have a description/screen shots of your editor. (if so could
> >>
> >>you
> >>
> >>>send
> >>>
> >>>>>it to the wtp-proposal list.
> >>>>>I let Arthur comment on IBM contribution, but so far BPEL was not
> >>>
> >>>included.
> >>>
> >>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>Christophe
> >>>>>ObjectWeb
> >>>>
> >>>>Christophe and Brian,
> >>>>
> >>>>No, the IBM proposal is not being revised at this time to include BPEL
> >>>>support. IBM is, as you know, proposing to contribute a fairly
> >
> > complete
> >
> >>>>set of tools for SOAP, WSDL, UDDI, and WS-I, but that's where we drew
> >>>>the line.
> >>>>
> >>>>However, since BPEL is being developed as an Open Web service standard
> >>>>by OASIS, it certainly falls within the proposed scope of the Web
> >>>>Standard Tools project. I encourage you to make a contribution. I am
> >>>>sure it would attract interest from many of the vendors in the OASIS
> >
> > TC.
> >
> >>>>IMHO, I think the existence of readily available reference
> >>>>implementations of the runtime and tools for any standard are a big
> >
> > help
> >
> >>>>to its adoption.
> >>>>
> >>>>-- Arthur
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >