To anybody out there who might be interested in it, enjoy!

Until next time,
B.

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Hi Barbara,

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
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Thanks for your reply, Scott.

Unfortunately I would not be able to find any time, at present, to contribute to the effort. However I appreciate greatly what is already there and will try and use whatever we can for our project.

I have a follow on question: I have been playing around a bit with your ECF collaboration group. When the wizard comes up, I do not seem to be able to enter any group other than the default one ("ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/server"), as an EOFException is thrown. I think I should be able to define a private group ID (for instance "ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/my_group") to restrict access to the people that are interested in our specific collaboration. What am I missing?

The only thing that you are missing is that this server is administered by us, and we only maintain a few groups for public usage (including '/server' but not '/my_group').

We don't support (for this 'ECF generic' server) setting up new/additional groups. The main reason for this is just that we don't have resources for administering many groups (which would be possible if many folks started using these groups for more than just examples).

We do, however, include a copy of the server within the ECF SDK, and so anyone can run their own server if they wish. There's some documentation for this (running your own local ecf generic server) here: http://wiki.eclipse.org/ECF_Servers

If we had some resources for administration we could consider running an ECF generic server that would allow people to create their own groups and then use them. If this is something you think the Eclipse Foundation can/could do, I would encourage you to file an enhancement request within the 'Eclipse Community' in bugzilla:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community&bug_severity=enhancement

thanks,

Scott

Scott,

Cheerio,
B.

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Many thanks,
Joel
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Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
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Thanks for your reply, Scott.

Unfortunately I would not be able to find any time, at present, to contribute to the effort. However I appreciate greatly what is already there and will try and use whatever we can for our project.

I have a follow on question: I have been playing around a bit with your ECF collaboration group. When the wizard comes up, I do not seem to be able to enter any group other than the default one ("ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/server"), as an EOFException is thrown. I think I should be able to define a private group ID (for instance "ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/my_group") to restrict access to the people that are interested in our specific collaboration. What am I missing?

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community&bug_severity=enhancement

thanks,

Scott

Hi Barbara,

ECF has a 'call API' [1] that allows applications to do call setup and signalling...with providers that implement the call API.

Currently we only have a couple implementations of the call API. The Skype provider (available at ecf1.osuosl.org) and one based upon Jingle [2].

We would like to have others (e.g. SIP) but that work has not been completed yet.

So I wish I could tell you things were further along in this regard (support for conferencing), but they are not.

If you are able to contribute any work in these areas it will be most welcome. My apologies that we don't have more completed and available for you to work with at this point.

Scott

[1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/VOIP
[2] http://wiki.eclipse.org/VoIP_via_the_ECF_Call_API_and_the_Jingle_Protocol

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:

Hi all.

I am new to ECF, so please pardon my ignorance.

For a while now I have been thinking of using ECF as the communication means of choice for my Eclpise project, ORMF (http://www.eclipse.org/ormf). Ideally I would like to use it not only for whiteboarding, screen sharing and the like, but also for our weekly conference call. Is this achievable?

I notice ECF itself resorts to the standard means of communication for their conference call, so I am wondering what might be the obstacle(s).

TIA,
B.

Thanks for your reply, Scott.

Thanks again and kind regards,
B.

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Scott

Hi all.

I am new to ECF, so please pardon my ignorance.

For a while now I have been thinking of using ECF as the communication means of choice for my Eclpise project, ORMF (http://www.eclipse.org/ormf). Ideally I would like to use it not only for whiteboarding, screen sharing and the like, but also for our weekly conference call. Is this achievable?

I notice ECF itself resorts to the standard means of communication for their conference call, so I am wondering what might be the obstacle(s).

TIA,
B.

I am new to ECF, so please pardon my ignorance.

TIA,
B.
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lets keep in touch and let us know how you progress
christian

Hi Christian,

Thanks for all of the replies :-)

The clean separation is certainly what I expected, but best to make sure before leaping in. I really thank you folks as you have saved ORMF (me in particular) quite a bit of work in wiring the base server infrastructure and remoting. I will certainly look forward to buying the Riena team a beer at the next EclipseCon or the Summit if we can make it this autumn.

I actually think that we will be seeing more and more projects using OSGi servers with remoting capability. I would really encourage the Riena team to package and "market" this as a separate "product", i.e. a feature on the update site or packaged zip. The space is waiting to be filled.

Btw, I am curious as to why you chose Hessian. I am quite content with the choice, just wondering.

All the best,
Joel

On 2008-09-21 19:23:00 +0100, Christian Campo <christian.campo@xxxxxxxxxxxx> said:

Hi Joel,

indeed its basic requirement of Riena that you dont have to buy into the whole story of Riena if you just like a component of it. So just using Riena remote services is ok and should always work. You will only need a few bundles and you are ready to go.

We have the same now for the UI part that you should be able to use Ridgets without using the navigation concept of Riena or you can embed Riena views into RCP applications or vica versa embed RCP views into Riena applications.

If anything of that what I promising does not work, its certainly a bug and will be treated as such.

let me help if I you need more info

christian

Joel Rosi-Schwartz schrieb:

Hi,

Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Joel and I am one of the leads of the EF ORMF project <http://www.eclipse.org/ormf/>

We are in the process of reengineering our architecture with the intention of moving away from a full blow Java 5 EE server (Glassfish) to a lighter weight OSGI infrastructure. Presently the communication between our Eclipse client and the server is Web Services based, so I think that the Riena server may be just what I am looking for in a base architecture.

What makes me a little nervous is that the scope of Riena is much broader than ORMF requires. I would like to assure myself that ORMF will not be required to carry a substantial amount of extra baggage is we adopt Riena. So far my limited reading and explorations leads me to believe that Riena is cleanly partitioned so that we should have few issues. I would be very appreciate if someone from the team could confirm my assumptions.

All the best,
Joel

Thanks for all of the replies :-)

All the best,
Joel

Hi Joel,

indeed its basic requirement of Riena that you dont have to buy into the whole story of Riena if you just like a component of it. So just using Riena remote services is ok and should always work. You will only need a few bundles and you are ready to go.

We have the same now for the UI part that you should be able to use Ridgets without using the navigation concept of Riena or you can embed Riena views into RCP applications or vica versa embed RCP views into Riena applications.

If anything of that what I promising does not work, its certainly a bug and will be treated as such.

let me help if I you need more info

christian

Joel Rosi-Schwartz schrieb:

Hi,

Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Joel and I am one of the leads of the EF ORMF project <http://www.eclipse.org/ormf/>

We are in the process of reengineering our architecture with the intention of moving away from a full blow Java 5 EE server (Glassfish) to a lighter weight OSGI infrastructure. Presently the communication between our Eclipse client and the server is Web Services based, so I think that the Riena server may be just what I am looking for in a base architecture.

What makes me a little nervous is that the scope of Riena is much broader than ORMF requires. I would like to assure myself that ORMF will not be required to carry a substantial amount of extra baggage is we adopt Riena. So far my limited reading and explorations leads me to believe that Riena is cleanly partitioned so that we should have few issues. I would be very appreciate if someone from the team could confirm my assumptions.

All the best,
Joel

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Try this link on Amazon, they say it is stock

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Use-Case-Modeling-Addison-Wesley/dp/0201615924/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1220887448&sr=11-1

that helps,
Joel
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