[news.eclipse.technology.ldt] Re: keeping an eye on the competition :-)

[Mark Melvin <mark_melvin@xxxxxxxx>]

Speaking of the competition...has everyone heard of the new Project 
Coyote for Netbeans?

https://coyote.dev.java.net/

I cross-posted to eclipse.technology as this is very applicable to the 
budding Dynamic Languages project..er...sub-project...umm...whatever it 
turns out to be.

Mark.

Chris Daly wrote:
> One way to shape our thinking about what LDT could and should try to do 
> would be to look at what other IDEs are doing today in the 
> multi-language space and where they are going.
>
> What follows are some notes on projects I've been tracking that have to 
> do with IDEs that come with integrated language designers and language 
> tooling generators:
>
> - Sergey Dmitriev, of the IntelliJ IDE company JetBrains, recently wrote 
> a manifesto called "Language Oriented Programming" where he talks about 
> a new IDE he is developing that includes a "Structure Language" and an 
> "Editor Language".  These are languages designed to express languages 
> and their IDE tooling.
> http://www.onboard.jetbrains.com/is1/articles/04/10/lop/
> http://www.jetbrains.com/mps/
>
> - The company Xactium has a product called XMF-Mosaic which is sort of 
> an IDE for designing DSLs and building the IDE tooling for the DSLs you 
> design.  I really recommend their book "Applied Metamodeling" which you 
> can download for free from their site (go to Downloads area).
> http://albini.xactium.com/content/
>
> - Microsoft has a project called "DSL tools" for Visual Studio.  Look 
> for their developer blogs that talk about it and also look at the book 
> Software Factories (Greenfield et al.), especially chapter 8.
> http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/teamsystem/community/blogs/
> http://blogs.msdn.com/stevecook
> http://blogs.msdn.com/stuart_kent
>
>
> These are just three examples and they surely reflect my bias towards 
> DSLs.  I'd be interested in hearing more from you all (I'm sure Tim and 
> the others from Borland could add something to this) about non-Eclipse 
> multi-language efforts that would be good models to study to help shape 
> the LDT.
>
>
> Chris