[news.eclipse.technology.kepler] Re: Proposed Kepler project plan on wik

["Henrik Lindberg" <glashammer@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

Here are some comments on the posted plan:



I assume that the functionality covered in milestone 1 is mostly Buckminster 
technology - it seems like it, as most, if not all of what is listed already 
works in Buckminster.

Would be nice if that was mentioned in the plan ;). Would also have liked to 
have discussed milestone dates - Buckminster is after all on a release train 
for Europa.



I don't understand why we should use Mojo from Codehouse. If you think there 
is something missing in Buckminster, we are very happy to discuss what 
anyone thinks should be different. I have not looked at Mojo yet, but if it 
covers functionality that is needed, I think we should discuss that in 
public before stating that it should be in a certain milestone. Esp. as 
there are also IP/Licensing issues involved.



To me, the plan, as it now stands looks like Kepler is planning a rewrite of 
technology already in Eclipse projects. Which is not a good move, and 
something we have already agreed not to do. See meeting notes on the wiki: 
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/11.08.2006_Conference_Call) where we 
agreed:



-          Kepler should integrate existing tools rather than recreate them

-          Kepler to focus on defining and building a common project model 
(where John also said in the meeting that this model should be done "the 
Buckminster way"  - i.e. being a view of the models in other tool domains 
rather than being bi-directional).



I think those agreements should be reflected in the project proposal. Now, 
milestone 1 focuses on building (and in a way that looks like a rewrite that 
excludes the existing projects).



I also wonder why Continuum is first on the list of continuous build systems 
to support. There is a lot of support for Cruise Control among Eclipse 
projects.  If we want to be successful among the Eclipse projects, shouldn't 
we support technology that is actually being used rather than try to force 
something new?



Regards

- henrik



"John Casey" <jcasey@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet 
news:elcfd9$852$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Hi all,
>
> I've taken the time to put together a proposal for the Kepler project
> plan. I think it's reasonably complete, according to the resources I
> know are available for development, but I wanted to get everyone's
> feedback on it.
>
> See:
>
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Kepler_Project_Plan
>
> For more information.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>