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[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] Re: error updating Ganymede to Galileo

eclipseng@xxxxxxx (John Arthorne) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:22:03 GMT

The Galileo repository is using a completely new kind of repository called a "composite repository". Since Eclipse 3.4 doesn't know anything about this repository type, it can't find any artifacts (hence the "No repository found..." errors). The metadata is otherwise completely compatible between 3.4 and 3.5, so upgrades across releases are theoretically possible. But, if your metadata takes advantage of new concepts added in 3.5 (such as composite repositories), then previous releases won't be able to process it.

Enabling major release upgrades while still allowing new releases to make use of new features really requires a "staged" upgrade: upgrade p2 first, then use the new p2 to upgrade the rest. Some support for this was added in 3.5, which should increase the number of cases where we can support major-release upgrades in the future. Supporting upgrades across major releases is on the draft plan for 3.6, but we've learned enough about how complicated this really is that we won't be making any promises until we're sure it will work ;)

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Eric Rizzo wrote:

David Williams wrote:
BUT, upgrading from Ganymede to Galileo is not supported. You should start off with one of the main packages found at http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ and then install other items into that install.
David, Are you certain that Ganymede -> Galileo updates are really not supported. One of the benefits of p2 was supposed to be the ability to (finally) update across major releases.

Eric

[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] Re: error updating Ganymede to Galileo

david_williams@xxxxxxx (David Williams) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:37:32 GMT

Eric Rizzo wrote:

David, Are you certain that Ganymede -> Galileo updates are really not supported. One of the benefits of p2 was supposed to be the ability to (finally) update across major releases.

Well, it's definitely not supported in the sense no one has tested it (that I know of).

The way I heard it described was, to paraphrase, " ... it might work, in some situations, depending on what you had installed, and what you were updating, but it would never be perfectly correct (some things like 'config', eclipse executable etc., will never be updated) and it might cause problems later", or something similar to that (but don't quote me :)

I'm not the definitive word (not being on p2 team) but that's my understanding.

[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] Re: error updating Ganymede to Galileo

eclipse-news@xxxxxxx (Eric Rizzo) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:50:19 GMT

David Williams wrote:

BUT, upgrading from Ganymede to Galileo is not supported. You should start off with one of the main packages found at http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ and then install other items into that install.

David, Are you certain that Ganymede -> Galileo updates are really not supported. One of the benefits of p2 was supposed to be the ability to (finally) update across major releases.

Eric

[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] Re: error updating Ganymede to Galileo

david_williams@xxxxxxx (David Williams) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:32:53 GMT

Alex Farberov wrote:

Hello
I'm trying to update eclipse Ganymede to Galileo. I added http://download.eclipse.org/releases/galileo to the update sites. Eclipse recognizes the updates and tries to dl/install them but encounters the following error:
An error occurred while collecting items to be installed
  No repository found containing: com.ibm.icu/osgi.bundle/4.0.1.v20090415
[ ... and many many more ... ]

That long list of errors does seem odd ... and not really sure what that is from .... may have been a timing issue with the system a little overloaded today.

BUT, upgrading from Ganymede to Galileo is not supported. You should start off with one of the main packages found at http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ and then install other items into that install.

[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] error updating Ganymede to Galileo

alexfarberov@xxxxxxx (Alex Farberov) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:08:52 GMT

Hello

I'm trying to update eclipse Ganymede to Galileo. I added http://download.eclipse.org/releases/galileo to the update sites. Eclipse recognizes the updates and tries to dl/install them but encounters the following error:

An error occurred while collecting items to be installed No repository found containing: com.ibm.icu/osgi.bundle/4.0.1.v20090415 No repository found containing: com.jcraft.jsch/osgi.bundle/0.1.41.v200903070017 No repository found containing: javax.xml/osgi.bundle/1.3.4.v200902170245 No repository found containing: org.apache.ant/osgi.bundle/1.7.1.v20090120-1145 No repository found containing: org.apache.jasper/osgi.bundle/5.5.17.v200903231320 No repository found containing: org.apache.xerces/osgi.bundle/2.9.0.v200909240008 No repository found containing: org.apache.xml.resolver/osgi.bundle/1.2.0.v200902170519 No repository found containing: org.apache.xml.serializer/osgi.bundle/2.7.1.v200902170519 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.ant.core/osgi.bundle/3.2.100.v20090520 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.ant.ui/osgi.bundle/3.4.0.v20090520 Error closing the output stream for org.eclipse.cdt.gnu.build/org.eclipse.update.feature/6.0.0.200906161748 on repository file:/scream/home/farbea2/tools/eclipse/. Error unzipping /tmp/org.eclipse.cdt.gnu.build_6.0.0.2009061617481315022752871639845.jar: Invalid zip file format No repository found containing: org.eclipse.compare/osgi.bundle/3.5.0.I20090514-0808 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.commands/osgi.bundle/3.5.0.I20090525-2000 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.contenttype/osgi.bundle/3.4.0.v20090429-1800 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.databinding/osgi.bundle/1.2.0.I20090604-2000 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.databinding.beans/osgi.bundle/1.2.0.I20090525-2000 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.expressions/osgi.bundle/3.4.100.v20090429-1800 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.filebuffers/osgi.bundle/3.5.0.v20090526-2000 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.filesystem/osgi.bundle/1.2.0.v20090507 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.jobs/osgi.bundle/3.4.100.v20090429-1800 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.net/osgi.bundle/1.2.0.I20090522-1010 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.net.linux.x86/osgi.bundle/1.1.0.I20081021 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.resources/osgi.bundle/3.5.0.v20090512 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.resources.compatibility/osgi.bundle/3.4.0.v20090505 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.runtime/osgi.bundle/3.5.0.v20090525 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.runtime.compatibility/osgi.bundle/3.2.0.v20090413 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.runtime.compatibility.auth/osgi.bundle/3.2.100.v20090413 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.runtime.compatibility.registry/osgi.bundle/3.2.200.v20090429-1800 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.core.variables/osgi.bundle/3.2.200.v20090521 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.cvs/osgi.bundle/1.0.300.v200906051444 No repository found containing: org.eclipse.debug.core/osgi.bundle/3.5.0.v20090526-1600 No 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[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] Re: Galileo

eclipse-news@xxxxxxx (Eric Rizzo) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:52:19 GMT

Patrick Gell wrote:

Hi all,
I'm a bit disappointed about the new release. There were great announcements about the new release the last days and when I wanted to test the new eclipse I get only an invitation to become a friends of eclipse otherwise I can not download the new packages.

Galileo, this year's simultaneous release of many Eclipse projects, was made available to the general public this morning at about 9am EST. It is available from www.eclipse.org right now.

Before that time you could get the milestone or release candidate builds from the Download page of the web site. If you donated to become a Friend of Eclipse, the release was available a day early.

Eric

[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] Galileo

patrick.gell@xxxxxxx (Patrick Gell) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:53:50 GMT

Hi all,

I'm a bit disappointed about the new release. There were great announcements about the new release the last days and when I wanted to test the new eclipse I get only an invitation to become a friends of eclipse otherwise I can not download the new packages.

regards,
patrick

[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] Re: Can someone explain how this can be?

eclipse-news@xxxxxxx (Eric Rizzo) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:19:19 GMT

mattiaso wrote:

Itïs so sad to see that the new Galileo release only contains crap in my wiew, more or less. (I looking from the perspective - core java developer) How many time do I use the functionallity "edit in diff mode". Perhaps 1 min every week. I canït emagine that the community hasn't flagged for more important features than "edit in diff mode". How can this be?

It would be really nice if the eclipse community have some feature request voting (and if there already exists, listen to the voting) or at least look 5 minutes at, for instance, Intellij and analyze what the developers really needs. Can someone please explain how this can happen, because I don't understand?

Something a lot of (most?) users of open-source software do not understand is that the decisions about priority, of what gets done when, are made by the people doing the work. In a healthy project (such as most of the Eclipse projects), those people use input from the broader user community in making those decisions (for example, votes and code patches on Bugzilla reports). But in the end, a LOT of things can drive those priorities. If you want to drive a particular feature, enhancement, or bug fix, then you have to be INVOLVED. Yes, it takes time and a lot of effort to become a committer on a project (rightly so), but you can contribute in a lot of other ways: entering bug reports and enhancement requests, answering questions on the newsgroups and/or IRC and/or mailing lists, submitting patches to existing bug reports, writing and/or updating documentation (wiki or other), etc. But to expect that your particular priorities will be considered without any of that kind of involvement on your part is irrational, silly, and honestly, quite selfish. You get a lot for nothing with open-source software, but you don't get whatever you want (unless you've contributed enough to become a committer or committee/board member; those things require getting INVOLVED).

I hope this helps your understanding of how things work in the open-source world.

Eric

[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] Re: Can someone explain how this can be?

nitind@xxxxxxx (Nitin Dahyabhai) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:30:24 GMT

mattiaso wrote:

Itïs so sad to see that the new Galileo release only contains crap in my wiew, more or less. (I looking from the perspective - core java developer) How many time do I use the functionallity "edit in diff mode". Perhaps 1 min every week. I canït emagine that the community hasn't flagged for more important features than "edit in diff mode". How can this be?

It would be really nice if the eclipse community have some feature request voting (and if there already exists, listen to the voting) or at least look 5 minutes at, for instance, Intellij and analyze what the developers really needs. Can someone please explain how this can happen, because I don't understand?

The usefulness of that feature is highly subjective, but I find it rather useful myself.

All requests and bug reports go into Bugzilla at bugs.eclipse.org, and each bug is able to be voted on by anyone with an account. What gets done is a matter of the priorities of the people who are actually doing the work, whether that means consulting the votes or not. Nothing stops you from implementing and contributing a feature you want to see happen, or even requesting it, but I don't see any bug report or feature requests by your posting email address.

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Nitin Dahyabhai
Eclipse WTP Source Editing
IBM Rational

[news.eclipse.simultaneous-release] Can someone explain how this can be?

mattias_xdin@xxxxxxx (mattiaso ) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:53:22 GMT

It?s so sad to see that the new Galileo release only contains crap in my wiew, more or less. (I looking from the perspective - core java developer) How many time do I use the functionallity "edit in diff mode". Perhaps 1 min every week. I can?t emagine that the community hasn't flagged for more important features than "edit in diff mode". How can this be?

It would be really nice if the eclipse community have some feature request voting (and if there already exists, listen to the voting) or at least look 5 minutes at, for instance, Intellij and analyze what the developers really needs. Can someone please explain how this can happen, because I don't understand?