[news.eclipse.platform.swt] Re: Think about developers - not principles!

[stephan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Stephan Michels)]

Hannes Agus wrote:

> > I use the GTK version of Eclipse day by day, and it works like a charme
> > even on my powerbook, which is five years old.
> I tried it to use it on my Athlon-800 but it was only useable with SwtFox 
> (quite well) whereas GTK2 was so lame that it was amlost unuseable 
> (whereas Netbeans works quite fine on this box).

Maybe GTK2 is your problem not Eclipse itself.

> So except the native l&f I even do not see the reasons for all the work 
> needed to create SWT. When it was created back in 1998-1999(?) it was a 
> real plus and added a lot of value to eclipse but for now it seems like a 
> crook IBM devs do not want to give up just to show everybody that their 
> descision was right - and SUN WAS WRONG with swing.

> I think its really sad that IBM makes live that hard for SWT application 
> programmers just because  of principles ibm does not want to break.

If you use Linux you know the problem with different toolkits. Every 
application looks different, so the whole desktop looks like crap. 
Beside that I don't have any performance issues, the point is that 
the native look has a much higher priority to me.
In my eyes AWT was much better than Swing. The problem was that AWT doesn't
have any table and tree widgets.

I thank IBM and every developer from Eclipse that they pick up the problem
and solved the problems, which java have on the desktop. Without SWT I 
would go with mono and gtk#.