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[news.eclipse.modeling] Re: Should UML be used in an Agile Project ? 
Vlad,

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Vlad Varnica wrote: 
Ed,

It is time to stop this non sense. If you look at my first post did you ever find EclipseUML or Omondo ?
Yes, the links point to it.
No, you don't. This is post on modeling focusing on the use of UML in an agile project.
Yet it's not in the UML newsgroup, it's in the general modeling one.
I also tried to explain how to use UML modeling in an agile methodology giving some tips and tricks.
And you wanted discussion, though not my comments.
Please note that I have only provided few links to explain our vision because no other link are available today.
It looks like advertisement. Perhaps that's not how you intended it, but it looks that way.
What happened ? You intentionally attack me personally and my company !!
I'm critical of your approach because your agenda is pretty clear. Of course I've need many of your posts in various places so I'm likely reading between the lines.
You said:
" Feel free to keep digging a deeper and deeper hole though, just be careful you don't fall in and have the hole collapse in on you."
To me it looks like you are digging a hole and doing yourself a disservice.
"So this is a completely bogus assertion as well."
Yes, you have an endless stream of assertions that I don't agree are facts.

"so this statement is confusing to the extreme."
Indeed it's all confusing.
" My patience with this type of behavior has run pretty thin. Couldn't you grind your ax elsewhere?"
Write a paper in a journal.
"Your sermons are very confusing even to experts, so I'm not sure how you hope to clarify anything for anyone."
You keep telling other people not to confuse things and then you equate all kinds of things like Ecore == EMF and Agile == Round trip. It's all very confusing.
" Pigs?"
Typos don't help. We all make them though.
" How is it that UML can be learned in a few hours, but Ecore would take years? These assertions are just absurd..."
UML is extremely powerful and complex. People don't learn it in a few hours. So yes, it sound absurd to assert that.
" Yet your note is rife with off site links."
It is.
" Likely it's more of a problem in your mind than in reality."
Yes, you assert that all kinds of things are just fundamentally insurmountable problems and that doesn't correspond to reality as I know it.
" I doubt you're the least bit sorry."
Yes, I doubt it.
" It seems to me that you're confusing them, but I'm not."
Yes, you tell people not to confuse things that were not being confused in the first place. That's confusing.
" so the premise of you argument appears to be entirely false."
It appears that way to me, yes.
" All this is just "The World According to Vlad" while you make it out to be something carved in stone tablets handed down to us on a high mountain."
Yes. None of this is put forward as your opinion, or your view, but rather as facts. They aren't.
" Of course I really don't agree with the assertion nor do I understand your line of reasoning. I'm not sure anyone does."
There are all kinds of logical leaps of reasoning that simply don't follow. I'm not the only one pointing out these inconsistencies.
" What an odd perspective."
Yes, very odd.
" But that's a general sweeping statement to which Omondo's technology is somehow an exception. According to Vlad..."
When the reasoning is circular I get frustrated.
"Yet another assertion. Facts and opinions are different things."
They are indeed different things. Intelligent people will often differ on opinions, but facts are just facts.
"This is all such totally circular reasoning with the one and only purpose being to promote your proprietary technology. "
There's clearly an agenda here.

I think I was really nice and try to open new frontiers to traditional modeling.
That would be nice if you weren't also so busy closing various other doors
I have a question for you Ed. Do you hate UML ?
I hate very few things and I don't use that word lightly. I definitely hate cancer for example. UML has an important role to play in the modeling space. In fact it has a unique and special status as one of the pinnacles. It's certainly not one of my favorite things though, nor is XML Schema. That being said, I fully understand the important role these technologies play. But keep in mind that just as you'll argue that Ecore isn't the right solution for all problems, I'll argue the same is true for UML and XML Schema. I've worked hard over the years to ensure that things like UML and XML Schema are well supported by EMF, so I'm happy to see people like you and companies like Omondo using this technology stack successfully and I hope for your continued success. I simply don't agree with all your assertions in these posts...