[news.eclipse.modeling] Re: Should UML be used in an Agile Project ?

[Ed Merks <Ed.Merks@xxxxxxxxx>]

Vlad,

Comments below.

Vlad Varnica wrote:

Ed,

Eclipse Modeling forum goal is to talk about modeling inside the Eclipse community.

Yet your note is rife with off site links.

I think it is therefore important to explain that the use of UML modeling is possible within an agile project.

The UML newgroup is where UML things are discussed.

I am really not responsible if other tools or GMF related technologies have technological limitations and can not do what EclipseUML provides.

This is like asking if you've stopped beating your wife, with the implication that you have been doing exactly that. 

This is not my problem.

Likely it's more of a problem in your mind than in reality.

Sorry about that.

I doubt you're the least bit sorry.

If you look at my post I am not talking about code generation from a model but of the UML Superstructure Model which is a mix of an existing model and java code which has been manually added by developers.

You're post is a meandering path through mystery territory as far as I'm concerned.

Agile means iteration, but not just model iterations. EMF can not update manually type code in its model.

Is there some implication that Agile is not possible with manual coding?

You can still argue it

It being what?

is not important but for me it is very important and this the key success of the adoption of UML among agile projects.

Not sure what "it" refers to in this sentence.

If users want to use EMF to generate code and then add EMF iteration model, I would be pleased :-)

I'm not sure what is implied by EMF iteration model.

They just need to clean their UML Superstructure at each iteration because EMF can not update UML serialization after the first model iteration.

I have no idea what UML serialization you're referring to.

I am sorry about that but this the reality today.

Again, I doubt you're sorry.

UML is also a language and not a framework like EMF.

And a carrot is a vegetable, while a tomato is a fruit.  Ecore, like UML, is a language...

It is important not to make the confusion. EMF and UML goals are not the same.

It seems to me that you're confusing them, but I'm not.

btw, nice flowers on your website. I have a magnolia in my garden and this is blooming time. Just wonderful :-)

My magnolia bloomed the first week of May. :-)