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[News.eclipse.foundation] Re: [GOVERNANCE] - The Prime Directives of Ethical Business 
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:31:05 +0300,  wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:54:52 -0400, Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ilias,

Eclipse is a very open community. I am not sure what your definition of
openness is. We publish all of our project plans, meeting minutes, etc.
Maybe not as fast as you like, but they get there. Everyone who has the
skill and dedication is able to contribute to our projects, and with
sufficient dedication hopefully become a Committer.


ok

As for the three directives:

(1) I personally think that Eclipse's governance is very cool. But our
governance is based on the Eclipse Foundation being a member-driven
organization, supporting an open source project based on the principle of openness, transparency and meritocracy. 

Ok.

If i decouple the "member-driven organization" from the "open source projects", then i must agree that the projects are quite transparent.

But I doubt that you can keep up this distinction (member-driven-organization & vendor-ecosystem / open-source-community).

Pressure from open-source-community is preprogrammed.

In other words, we are driven by the needs of our developers and our members. 

My main complaint here was (and is):

Users should get more influence (dedicated board representative and planing councils representatives (at least in the requirement planning council)).

(2) I am trying to be as transparent and as candid as I have the time to be with you. 

My complaints about transparency did not affect you personally!

(3) And I have personally never seen a case within the Eclipse community
where someone has put their technical ego ahead of the good of the
community.


I believe this.

[Normally you don't see those cases, but you sense them, especially if you are in a weak position]

You seem to think that Eclipse has many resources available. We don't. 

I don't think this.

I've
seen your posting suggesting new projects, and I think that they're pretty interesting. 

They are not "pretty interesting".

They are essential.

But you seem to lack an understanding of how open source
projects get created.


I've understood the Eclipse Foundation's project creation process.

I don't snap my fingers and poof up a group of
dedicated developers to work on a new idea. Developers need to step forward and lead the charge as volunteers. 

I don't think so, at least not for the projects i've suggested.

see below.

If you want to see your project ideas
come to fruition, start recruiting developers and submit a project proposal consistent with our Eclipse Development Process. 

The suggested projects are essential.

They would increase eclipse foundation's efficiency and reputation.

It's the foundations job (EMO, or even Board) to take any necessary steps to launch them the soonest possible.

Many of the ideas that you've suggested are things which we have plans to do. 

The minimum you (the foundation) should do is:

Collect the thoughts & project suggestions and publish them on the website in an "Seeking Collaboration" page.

This way interested parties can contact you and provide concrete project proposals.

estimated effort: 3 working days.

We are moving our IT infrastructure to a new location. We are hoping to
have new hardware and software donated which will allow us to support
important new functionality from our site. We intend to migrate our website maintenance to an open development model. I hope to see many improvements in
the services we provide our developers, our members and our users. But these changes are going to take months, not minutes. 

I've written this again:

I don't accept those statements.

This _must_ not and _should_ not take months.

It is not a single chunk of work.

I've stated small _concrete_ suggestion, which can be adopted immediately.

The most obvious and essential example is this one:

"provide me a channel, where I can write down my suggestions"

"Community" Product in Bugzilla
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=57040

I think this is a request which anyone can insist on.

Estimated effort: 2 hours.

Thanks for all of your interest in Eclipse. I know you have spent a great deal of time learning about us,

I have been focused on learning/detecting your (Eclipse Foundation) weaknesses.

and I am sorry if we have not met your expectations. 

This can still happen.

-

This topic (see shorten summary below) relates directly to the private
message i've sent you (via email).

Did you receive the message? [I got no answer yet] 

I got the answer via email.

Thank you.

.


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