[News.eclipse.foundation] Re: [GOVERNANCE] - The Prime Directives of Eth

["Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ilias,

Eclipse is a very open community. I am not sure what your definition of
openness is. We publish all of our project plans, meeting minutes, etc.
Maybe not as fast as you like, but they get there. Everyone who has the
skill and dedication is able to contribute to our projects, and with
sufficient dedication hopefully become a Committer.

As for the three directives:

(1) I personally think that Eclipse's governance is very cool. But our
governance is based on the Eclipse Foundation being a member-driven
organization, supporting an open source project based on the principle of
openness, transparency and meritocracy. In other words, we are driven by the
needs of our developers and our members.
(2) I am trying to be as transparent and as candid as I have the time to be
with you.
(3) And I have personally never seen a case within the Eclipse community
where someone has put their technical ego ahead of the good of the
community.

You seem to think that Eclipse has many resources available. We don't. I've
seen your posting suggesting new projects, and I think that they're pretty
interesting. But you seem to lack an understanding of how open source
projects get created. I don't snap my fingers and poof up a group of
dedicated developers to work on a new idea. Developers need to step forward
and lead the charge as volunteers. If you want to see your project ideas
come to fruition, start recruiting developers and submit a project proposal
consistent with our Eclipse Development Process.

Many of the ideas that you've suggested are things which we have plans to
do. We are moving our IT infrastructure to a new location. We are hoping to
have new hardware and software donated which will allow us to support
important new functionality from our site. We intend to migrate our website
maintenance to an open development model. I hope to see many improvements in
the services we provide our developers, our members and our users. But these
changes are going to take months, not minutes.

Thanks for all of your interest in Eclipse. I know you have spent a great
deal of time learning about us, and I am sorry if we have not met your
expectations.

----------------------
Mike Milinkovich
Executive Director
Eclipse Foundation

"ilias" <ilias@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:opsfuj2dh4rp2aut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:49:54 -0400, Mike Milinkovich
<mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > SourceLabs is definitely an interesting startup,
>
> yes, and hopefully they will provide an eclipse distribution, too.
>
> > and the three principles related to "What it means to Always be Open"
are good.
>
> We seem all [the startup, you, me] to agree here.
>
> > But I think you're comparing apples to oranges.
>
> Of course.
>
> Both (apples and oranges) have taste and appearance.
>
> -
>
> Both (a "venture-funded startup" and an "open source project") have a
"commitment to Ethical Business" [or Openness, or transparency], which I
compare.
>
> > SourceLabs is a venture-funded startup company.
>
> with an _exceptional_ commitment to Openness [= Ethical Business].
>
> > Eclipse is an open source project.
>
> with an _exceptional_ _lack_ of commitment to Openness [= ???].
>
> -
>
> Do you [Eclipse Board, EMO, you (Eclipse Director)] really don't see the
need to apply this openness  to the Eclipse Foundation?
>
> -
>
> This topic (see shorten summary below) relates directly to the private
message i've sent you (via email).
>
> Did you receive the message? [I got no answer yet]
>
> .
>
> > "ilias" <ilias@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:opsfm4w6zkrp2aut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> The Prime Directive "Tie by Serving" (promise 1)
> >> The Prime Directive "Transparency and Candor" (promise 2)
> >> The Prime Directive "Control of Egoism" (promise 3)!
> [...]
> >> You can summarize those 3 as: "Ethical Business".
> [...]
> >> Currently, eclipse.org would fail dramatically to pass an [honest]
> >> evaluation against those 3 prime directives. Governance Model,
Development
> >> Process, Project Infrastructure - all of them.
> [...]
> >> I have lost very much time, but at least I have currently a lot of the
> >> eclipse.org domain knowledge active.
> >>
> >> I have extracted many minor changes, which would bring eclipse.org
quickly
> >> & smoothly closer to those 3 Prime Directives.
> [...]
> >> Based on the time and energy needed to initialize and track only _one_
> >> simple and _undoubtable_ rational change ("dedicated eclipse.org
newsgroup",
> >> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=73282), I estimate that
it
> >> would take eclipse.org years to become as efficient as it should be.
> >>
> >> Years, for something which could be done within a few months.
> >>
> >> This is _highly_ disapointing to me.
>
>
> -- 
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