[News.eclipse.foundation] Re: [NEWCOMER] - Evaluation Summary: What is E

[Peter Stricker <peter@xxxxxx>]

This is not fair!

Ilias has used a lot of energy raising some questions about the quality 
of the eclipse organisation. Some of his writings have had he tone of 
rantings against the project leaders, but in most cases he has given new 
ideas to how the problems could be solved. He is not to blame for the 
fact that the organisation has ignored most of his ideas.

I have been following the Web Tools Project from its incarnation, and I 
still don't have WYSIWYG Web Tools. This is my own fault of course, 
since there has been no shortage of announcements from commercial 
vendor(s) on the eclipse.webtools newsgroup.

Eclipse is a great project with lots of interesting frameworks like EMF, 
GEF, UML2, GMT which could be used for making great tools for the 
endusers, but most of these tools are unstable (eg. WTP, VE) in the 
planning phase (eg. Pollinate) or there is not even a mentioning from 
the eclipse board that it would be interesting to look at some time in 
the distant future (UML tool).

I agree with Ilias, that at the moment NetBeans looks like the better 
choice. The 4.0 betas are very promising, and if Ilias puts half as much 
energy in the NetBeans project as he has in Eclipse, I can't wait for 4.1.

/Peter

Marcus Olk wrote:
> ilias wrote:
>
> > Please take 15 min. to read this carefully. This will save you most  
> > possibly many time.
>
>
> This time has been wasted for me and this is my first and last
> reaction...
>
> > What is eclipse NOT.
>
> [...]
>
> I won't comment that pile of provocative statements, 'cos I simply
> disagree with most of them and am definately not in the mood for
> argumentation - I'm afraid it's not worth it. Sorry.
>
> > *FINALE*
> >
> > - I close the eclipse case now quickly, as I cannot deal anymore with 
> > such  irrationality and inefficiency (apology! my aggression level has 
> > raised  due to several unanswered issues, including privacy policy 
> > complaints)
>
>
> A very good idea, honestly.
>
> > - Moving on to NetBeans.org now, picking it, starting to work.
>
>
> Good luck and simply enjoy...
>
> > As a conclusion, the product should have a much higher quality.
>
>
> Yes, that's true, well at least some parts of it. And it is definately
> not the case that it needs *much* higher quality. There are a couple of
> flaws but all in all it's still a product that's fun to work with.
> I tried to use FatBeans before...
>
> > If there is enouth interest, I will possibly write a more detailed 
> > report  about eclipse.
>
>
> Thanks. But keep it please. You don't have to use Eclipse.
> It's up to you. Have a good time using FatBeans...
>
> > Thank you!
>
>
> You're welcome.
>
> > You will possibly read some replies on this message, which will state  
> > rationales and justifications against my findings.
>
>
> I don't think so... time is crucial...
>
> > But I am tired. I apologize for not making a detailed report.
>
>
> I'm tired too - to read your postings. Sorry.
>
> Marcus