[News.eclipse.foundation] Re: [GOVERNANCE] - The Prime Directives of Eth

["Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

SourceLabs is definitely an interesting startup, and the three principles
related to "What it means to Always be Open" are good.

But I think you're comparing apples to oranges. SourceLabs is a
venture-funded startup company. Eclipse is an open source project.

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"ilias" <ilias@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Subject: [ECLIPSE.ORG] - The Prime Directives of Ethical Business
> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:17:54 +0300
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> I've detected this very interesting startup:
>
> http://www.sourcelabs.com/plan.htm
>
> what is most interesting to me is this here:
>
> "1) WE PROMISE NOT TO LOCK YOU IN, EVER. [...]"
> "2) WE PROMISE TO KEEP OUR COMPANY OPEN [...]"
> "3) WE PROMISE TO KEEP OUR EGOS SEPARATE FROM TECHNOLOGY [...]"
>
> Although I've planed to focus on my personal projects (that's why i'm
evaluating eclipse), I've immediately sent a note to sourcelabs that I am
interested in working for them as an independent.
>
> Why?
>
> -
>
> The impressive Prime Directives (especially #3):
>
> The Prime Directive "Tie by Serving" (promise 1)
>
> The Prime Directive "Transparency and Candor" (promise 2)
>
> The Prime Directive "Control of Egoism" (promise 3)!
>
> -
>
> You can summarize those 3 as: "Ethical Business".
>
> -
>
> [btw: you can tranform those 3 to: "Serve, Tranparently and Rational"]
>
> [btw: You can 'normalize' those 3 to: "Transparency".]
>
> -
>
> I miss exactly those 3 Prime Directives within eclipse.org.
>
> Clearly stated.
>
> Every new process should be defined based on those directives.
>
> Every old process should be verified and adjusted based on those
directives.
>
> -
>
> Currently, eclipse.org would fail dramatically to pass an [honest]
evaluation against those 3 prime directives. Governance Model, Development
Process, Project Infrastructure - all of them.
> _
>
> The wide scope of eclipse.org!
>
> No chance without "Ethical Business".
>
> Even if 50 more companies became stategic developers, eclipse would fail
to have the success that it would deserve.
>
> -
>
> "Ethical Business" is the fundamental part which I miss within
eclipse.org.
>
> This is the main reason why eclipse.org (and thus eclipse IDE) will most
possibly fail to pass my evaluation, forcing me to take the next step:
netBeans.
>
> Yes, I've evaluated eclipse IDE mostly based on the surrounding
eclipse.org systems.
>
> You think eclipse is technically far above NetBeans?
>
> Wake up!
>
> NetBeans + Ethical Business + some minor steps + 1 year = ?
>
> -
>
> A few months before i made a quick comparsion "NetBeans vs. eclipse". I
picked eclipse - mainly due to technical structure (tool design framework)
and its political structure (open to join).
>
> I have lost very much time, but at least I have currently a lot of the
eclipse.org domain knowledge active.
>
> I have extracted many minor changes, which would bring eclipse.org quickly
& smoothly closer to those 3 Prime Directives.
>
> -
>
> But!
>
> Based on the time and energy needed to initialize and track only _one_
simple and _undoubtable_ rational change ("dedicated eclipse.org newsgroup",
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=73282), I estimate that it
would take eclipse.org years to become as efficient as it should be.
>
> Years, for something which could be done within a few months.
>
> This is _highly_ disapointing to me.
>
> -
>
> [ you may think now: what is all this, how can "Ethical Business" increase
efficiency and productivity of an open source project?
>
> Simple: in an transparent and egoism-free system (open source project),
rational change suggestions would be adopted nearly immediately. Feedback
providers see that - a chain-reaction happens.]
>
> .
>
>
>
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