Re: [xtext-dev] xtext-dev Digest, Vol 80, Issue 2

[Holger Schill <schill@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Sven,

I did not say -nor imply- that contributors are second class citizens. However, as a matter of fact, committers are the ones who are driving the project forward, participate in decision making and care about contributors, their tickets and pull-requests, obviously with a lot of involvement from the contributors as well as all other sorts of community members. This is also clearly stated in the Eclipse Development Process.

Becoming a committer is de facto some sort of reward. Only those contributors that have shown that they want to fulfil the duties that I mentioned and gained the trust of other committers should be proposed as committers. In the case of Karsten this is evidently true and Karsten’s impressive track record and long-time dedication to the project exactly shows that. But as you state that these are just general remarks I assume that this was not directed at Karsten anyway.

Regarding your concrete points about Karsten I’d like to point out that he did not only work very hard for the last few weeks, but for years and in terms of source contributions intensively since 6 months now. You are also implying that Karsten would not “understand the core spirit of the project”. With his long track-record he has clearly proven differently.

When voting for new committers, we should not apply any double standards. We also have other, very valued, committers among us who, when they got their commit-rights, did not have nearly the same track record as Karsten does. So I really would like to ask all existing committers to welcome Karsten with a +1. The current voting participation does not honor Karsten’s achievements for the project.

Best regards,

Holger

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Today's Topics:

  1. +1 for Karsten Thoms on modeling.tmf.xtext by Knut Wannheden
     (portal on behalf of )
  2. +1 for Karsten Thoms on modeling.tmf.xtext by Sven Efftinge
     (portal on behalf of )


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:28:01 -0500 (EST)
From: portal-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxx (portal on behalf of )
To: xtext-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [xtext-dev] +1 for Karsten Thoms on modeling.tmf.xtext by
Knut Wannheden
Message-ID: <20161110182801.CFEBF17D470@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Knut Wannheden voted:
   +1
Welcome!

Voting summary: http://portal.eclipse.org/




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:02:01 -0500 (EST)
From: portal-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxx (portal on behalf of )
To: xtext-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [xtext-dev] +1 for Karsten Thoms on modeling.tmf.xtext by
Sven Efftinge
Message-ID: <20161111150201.E66062DCE98@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Sven Efftinge voted:
   +1
Hi Holger, Karsten is definitely a very important member of the Xtext
community with a huge backlog of contributions.

I\'d like to take the opportunity to reason a bit about committership in
general and what it means.

I would like to do it around your last sentence:

\"I strongly believe that he has earned the credits to become a part of

the team.\"

Between the lines it reads like there is a \'committer team\' and the rest.
I think we should value every member in the community based on their
contributions, regardless whether they have the technical right to merge
PRs or not. By talking about =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98the?= =?UTF-8?Q?team=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99?= you are fostering some sort of
eliteness, which results in active contributors being perceived a bit
second class.

I think we should avoid that sort of two class citizenship in the
community. Being a committer should just add that bit about write
permissions and doesn\'t tell so much about the real value of a community
member. =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98Committer=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99?= should not be something like a medal that we give
to members.

So sorry for nitpicking on your proposal, which was of course not intended
to insult non-committers. I just wanted to share my view on this with all
of you and thought this is a good opportunity. I really want to make Xtext
more open, diverse and community driven and for that it is sometimes
important to reflect on the language we use.

For the concrete case of Karsten, I know that he really wants to become a
committer and has worked hard in the last couple of weeks to gather the
credits. Again committership should be about the trust that someone
understands the core spirit of the project and only applies those changes
that are in line with that. Honestly I would have preferred to wait a bit
longer as there were some controversial changes, but I am confident that
Karsten will use his new gained commit rights with care.

So +1 from my side, but =?UTF-8?Q?let=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s?= try to avoid misusing committership as some
sort of award.

Voting summary: http://portal.eclipse.org/




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