[wtp-pmc] Re: [atf-dev] Open Meetings and getting the Source Code

[David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx>]

> We are probably one or two months
away from laying out our plans. 

> > Could you, perhaps, work
on those plans in public? 

Bjorn, and others reading these
lists, I'm sure it'll come as not too much of a surprise, that part of
anyone's "Eclipse Planning" involves some "Company Planning"
as well. So, that latter part is not fully open, naturally. In fact, Robert
wanted to say more but I asked him not too, simply because I know our IBM
planning still has to move further along.  Once it does, then the
more open part will begin. As far as I know this is the way all Eclipse
Projects operate (and it just so happens ATF is on a bit of a different
schedule than some others).  

I say all this, of course, just
to explain that the delay is due to myself and IBM, not Robert or the ATF
team! And I know we all wish myself and IBM were faster ... but ... you
know that's not going to happen! :)  

In the mean time, as we say in
our WTP plan, "The Eclipse and WTP community should feel free to query
and add to ATF's
enhancement requests,
if anyone has any specific requests or contributions they'd like to document".


But on the general topic of openness,
we all take your general comments to heart, and had a good discussion of
"lowering barriers" at the last WTP PMC meeting. It is our concern
that many projects (in WTP and elsewhere, not just ATF) have too many barriers
to adoption and contributions ... and we all know this is one of your
documented concerns too.


Our WTP PMC action item is to
develop a "check list" which we can use to help assess how all
our projects are doing, and how they might further lower barriers to adoption
and contributions. Of course, this also will probably move slower than
everyone would like, but we will make progress, and we appreciate your
continued support.

Bjorn Freeman-Benson <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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08/09/2007 11:11 PM

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Subject	Re: [atf-dev] Open Mettings and getting the Source Code

Bob,
I would of responded to you sooner,
but have been on vacation. 
No problem - I'm all for vacations - Americans should
take more of them (myself included!)
I will work on improving the communication
to the open source community. ...The team has announce two of this items
to the ATF Dev forum (Dropping of the Personality and Zimbra support) to
get community feedback. 
I saw that - thanks for taking those steps.
We are probably one or two months away
from laying out our plans. 
Could you, perhaps, work on those plans in public? On
the dev mailing list and the wiki? The more public you are about the way
you develop the plans, the better the project's reputation for transparency
will be. So rather than waiting one or two months to lay out a draft plan,
start with a wiki page today and have everyone work on the story in public
- set a date of two months for a finished plan and that everything in interim
is just work-in-progress, but do it public... Thanks.

- Bjorn
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