Re: [wtp-pmc] Comment on section 1.7.2.4 PHP Tools Project of the Web To

[Robert Goodman <goodmanr@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Lawrence

I and Brian Burns and a number of phone
conferences with Tim Deboer where we discuss the number of issues that
PHP team has with the server. Brian and I worked on the PHP IDE. Brian
did most of the HTTP Server based on the WTP infrastructure. Neither Brian
or I are working on the PHP IDE anymore. 

You made the statement that WTP users
are already familiar with WTP serve tools, but PHP users are not. PHP developers
are not J2EE developers. The simple fact is that the WTP server GUIs are
not very intuitive. To change a server configuration after it is created,
you have to go to the server view, select a server, right click on the
server and select open. There are people who have used eclipse that didn't
know this is how it worked until I told them. We ran into other problems
like the publishing model seemed to be baked into the based infrastructure
and wasn't easily extended/changed. 

I can set up a meeting, but does WTP
really have resources to do anything about it.  


    thanks
     Bob


Robert Goodman
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Bob, 

I'm not familiar with the background for this issue but this sounds like
a bad situation to me. I think where possible projects should communicate
and work together to avoid duplicating function. WRT servers, I think Eclipse
should have one way to create and control servers as users will likely
want to install both Java and PHP Web development tools. As WTP users are
already familiar with the WTP server tools I really think that creating
another way to control servers for PHP is a mistake. (Actually, I think
it's a mistake for the PHP project to not seamlessly integrate with WTP
as I think Eclipse users will expect it to.) Remember, many users will
install Eclipse, WTP and PHP and expect all the projects to work together.

Instead of creating a competing server framework in the PHP project, which
seems to me to be out of scope for the project (the creation review slides
for the project state one of the goals is to "Leverage the existing
Web Tools Project in providing developers with PHP capabilities" [1]),
I'd like to see the PHP committers work with the WTP server tools team.
Can you set up a meeting between the two teams to discuss the limitations/problems
the PHP team is having with the server tools? (Has this call already happened?)

[1] http://www.eclipse.org/php/documents/PHP%20IDE%20-%20creation%20review.pdf

Thanks, 

Lawrence Mandel

Software Developer
IBM Rational Software
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Subject	[wtp-pmc] Comment on section 1.7.2.4 PHP Tools Project of the Web Tools Platform 2.0 Plan

The PHP tools project has dropped or is planning to dropped support for
the Apache Server built on top of the WTP server infrastructure. The PHP
team is building there own Apache server support which isn't based on the
WTP server infrastructure. ATF has picked up the Apache Server based on
the WTP infrastructure and integrated it into ATF. In the process the ATF
team changed the GUIs back to match the WTP server GUIs for creating a
Server. The PHP team didn't think that the WTP GUIs were very intuitive.
Since these GUIs are baked into the WTP infrastructure, changing the GUIs
caused a number of problems. Eventually the PHP team decided to move off
the WTP server infrastructure. 

   Thanks 
      Bob 

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