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Tim,

Pls take the lead on arranging a telecon to discuss this. Thx.

Arthur Ryman,
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Hi Arthur,


I'm busy during regular EST working hours this week and Mon/Tues due to full day conference calls. Let's take this offline with the interested people and arrange something off-hours or later next week.


Tim deBoer
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Marshall,


Yes. Let's have a call. We need to get Naci and Tim to attend since they are responsible for the J2EE server component.


Naci/Tim - When would be a good time? I know everyone is busy with the M5 shutdown.


Let's move this discussion to the wtp-jst-dev list.


Arthur Ryman,
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Great, would a meeting be prudent? If so, let's set one up sometime to discuss what we currently have and figure out how best to fit into webtools.

Arthur Ryman wrote:


Marshall,


AFAIK, work has not begun. Yes, let's collaborate.


Arthur Ryman,
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Has work on JSR88 for WTP began yet? Rob Stryker is currently working on an implementation for JBossIDE.. we should talk about collaboration so there isn't a duplication of effort =).

Thomas Yip wrote:

Alright! :-)

 

 

Thomas

 

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Thomas,

Yes, I believe we cited both JSR 77 and JSR 88 in our plans. We need to start making progress on those.

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For deployment, I think “JSR 88: J2EE Application Deployment” is the way to go.

It defines a standard way of deploy/undeploy/start/stop an application. Looking at the expert groups, the momentum is there.
However, I haven’t heard many vendors have implemented them in their release version. When it is ready, we certainly want to help on getting the control and ui in WTP.

I believe debugging and profiling support doesn’t require much modification.

I am not sure there is a defacto way of using JMX for remote starting and stopping of server. Maybe the assumption is that the server is always up and running during the development.



Thomas





 

 


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Gerry,

Tim Deboer is the authoritative source on this topic. However, the current support does not require JMX. You can use any proprietary means of controlling the server. Our intension is to move towards the JCP standards in this area such as JSR 77. Are you interesting in working on that?

Aside from publishing, you should support debugging and profiling. You should also be able to restart the server or a specific application, and do the usual config such as adding or deleting applications.

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Arthur,

Thanks for the response - I do understand that a remote server would require a controller of some kind like JMX to manage it.   More specifically, I am looking to find out what services, if any, the WTP framework supplies for remote servers.  If there are services, how do I plugin to them?

What are the implied requirements for "supporting" a remote host?   Clearly publishing to it is a must-have as there would be little point without it.   What else?      

Thanks,
Gerry Kessler
Oracle

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Gerry,

A remote server is a server that is located on another machine. You need some type of controller on that machine, or use JMX.

Arthur Ryman,
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Tim deBoer posted the following in the newsgroup recently:

" The WTP server framework fully supports remote servers, however none of the
current server types that have been contributed to WTP do. There are no
immediate plans for remote server support, but contributions may appear in
later versions."

Could someone please clarify what is meant by "supports remote servers"?   What does the framework provide?   What would the server provider be expected to provide?   Documentation?

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Gerry Kessler
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