Marshall,
Yes. Let's have a call. We need to get Naci and Tim to attend since
they are responsible for the J2EE server component.
Naci/Tim - When would be a good time? I know everyone is busy with the
M5 shutdown.
Let's move this discussion to the wtp-jst-dev list.
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Great, would a meeting be prudent? If so, let's set one up sometime to
discuss what we currently have and figure out how best to fit into
webtools.
Arthur Ryman wrote:
Marshall,
AFAIK, work has not begun. Yes, let's collaborate.
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Has work on JSR88 for WTP began yet? Rob Stryker is currently working
on an implementation for JBossIDE.. we should talk about collaboration
so there isn't a duplication of effort =).
Thomas Yip wrote:
Alright! :-)
Thomas
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Yes, I believe we cited both JSR 77 and JSR 88 in our plans. We need
to start making progress on those.
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For deployment, I think “JSR 88: J2EE Application Deployment” is the
way to go.
It defines a standard way of deploy/undeploy/start/stop an
application. Looking at the expert groups, the momentum is there.
However, I haven’t heard many vendors have implemented them in their
release version. When it is ready, we certainly want to help on
getting the control and ui in WTP.
I believe debugging and profiling support doesn’t require much
modification.
I am not sure there is a defacto way of using JMX for remote starting
and stopping of server. Maybe the assumption is that the server is
always up and running during the development.
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Gerry,
Tim Deboer is the authoritative source on this topic. However, the
current support does not require JMX. You can use any proprietary
means of controlling the server. Our intension is to move towards the
JCP standards in this area such as JSR 77. Are you interesting in
working on that?
Aside from publishing, you should support debugging and profiling. You
should also be able to restart the server or a specific application,
and do the usual config such as adding or deleting applications.
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Arthur,
Thanks for the response - I do understand that a remote server would
require a controller of some kind like JMX to manage it. More
specifically, I am looking to find out what services, if any, the WTP
framework supplies for remote servers. If there are services, how do I
plugin to them?
What are the implied requirements for "supporting" a remote host?
Clearly publishing to it is a must-have as there would be little point
without it. What else?
Thanks,
Gerry Kessler
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Gerry,
A remote server is a server that is located on another machine. You
need some type of controller on that machine, or use JMX.
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Tim deBoer posted the following in the newsgroup recently:
" The WTP server framework fully supports remote servers, however none
of the
current server types that have been contributed to WTP do. There are no
immediate plans for remote server support, but contributions may appear in
later versions."
Could someone please clarify what is meant by "supports remote
servers"? What does the framework provide? What would the server
provider be expected to provide? Documentation?
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