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RE: [wtp-dev] Service Interface & Data Types Editor Contribution Proposal

Thanks for this proposal. I wanted to keep you (and community) up to date.  The proposal looks good but one of the people wanting to review it more is on vacation, so I'd like to be polite and give him a chance to get back and comment further, if he has any further comments. We should get that feedback next week.

We normally have these discussion on the WTP Incubator list, so let's move the thread there, to wtp-incubator-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Thanks again,




From: "Simeonov, Emil" <emil.simeonov@xxxxxxx>
To: Keith Chong <kchong@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "wtp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx" <wtp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/03/2010 05:20 AM
Subject: RE: [wtp-dev] Service Interface & Data Types Editor Contribution        Proposal
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Hi Keith,
 
First of all thank you for your interest in our proposal!
 
Indeed we have thoroughly evaluated the WTP WSDL and XSD editors (as well as the Netbeans ones and some more) in respect to different functional and non-functional aspects numerous times.
 
I would like to emphasize on the fact that the WTP and the proposed editors are NOT competing in any way and they could be used when appropriately, since all of the editors work with standard artifacts (*.xsd and *.wsdl files). Hence once the usage of the existing WTP editors is necessary one could always switch to them and vice versa.
 
Yet we also have quite a lot of stakeholdersâ feedback regarding what they need, which we have taken into consideration before going for the design and development of brand new WSDL and XML Schema editors.
 
A short summary of our findings as an extract from the latest comparison with the WTP editors could be found below.
 
WTP WSDL 1.1 & Service Interface editors
 
Development Productivity
 
1.       Representation of WSDL 1.1 specifics
a.       WTP WSDL editor: exposes all WSDL 1.1 technical details
b.      Service Interface editor: hides WSDL 1.1 complexity
2.       Number of open editor / views necessary to edit a WSDL 1.1 document, i.e. navigation
a.       WTP WSDL editor: 3 (+1 editor instance for each data-type which is being viewed in details)
b.      Service Interface editor: 1 (using master-details UI design pattern)
3.       Number of âclicksâ to do modeling, i.e. time spent
a.       Conclusion: Considering the total number of open views and editor instances as well as the allocation of properties in the WTP WSDL 1.1 editor the number of clicks necessary for modeling is much higher than what is necessary in the Service Interface editor
4.       Error detection
a.       WTP WSDL editor: Optional batch validation supported. Some values could be invalid as entered by users and others cannot (E.g. An operation name could not be altered in an invalid way. A part name could be modified in an invalid way without any warning.). No error decoration in the design (UI modeling) parts of the editor.
b.      Service Interface editor: Supports 2 ways of error detection in consistent manner, i.e. Live (in-place partial) and batch (save / load thorough model) validation. Supports problem reporting in both the UI modeling parts and the Eclipse Problems view.
5.       Isolation of single entities (Filtering) when manipulating large documents
a.       WTP WSDL editor: Not supported
b.      Service Interface editor: Supported for all visualized entities
 
Functional Completeness
 
1.       Basic WSDL modeling (Add / Remove / Alter PortTypes, Operations, Set types / elements for operation arguments, modification of inline XSD entities, usage of externally defined XSD entities)
a.       Conclusion: Both editors allow for such kind of manipulations
2.       Refactoring capabilities
a.       WTP WSDL editor: Renaming of WSDL entities, switch between synchronous and asynchronous operation modes
b.      Service Interface editor: Renaming of WSDL entities
3.       Technical modeling (bindings, services)
a.       WTP WSDL editor: Partially supported (re-generation of bindings and services content necessary)
b.      Service Interface editor: Not supported by design (keep them in sync with PortTypes)
 
WTP XML Schema & Data Types editors
 
Development Productivity
 
1.       Representation of XSD specifics
a.       WTP XML Schema editor: exposes all XSD technical details
b.      Data Types editor: hides XSD complexity
2.       Number of open editor / views necessary to edit a WSDL 1.1 document, i.e. navigation
c.       WTP XML Schema editor: 3 (+1 editor instance for each data-type which is being viewed in details)
d.      Data Types editor: 1 (using master-details UI design pattern)
3.       Number of âclicksâ to do modeling, i.e. time spent
a.       Conclusion: Considering the total number of open views and editor instances as well as the allocation of properties in the WTP XML Schema editor the number of clicks necessary for modeling is much higher than what is necessary in the Data Types editor
4.       Error detection
a.       WTP XML Schema editor: Optional batch validation supported. No error decoration in the design (UI modeling) parts of the editor
b.      Data Types editor: Supports 2 ways of error detection in consistent manner, i.e. Live (in-place partial) and batch (save / load thorough model) validation. Supports problem reporting in both the UI modeling parts and the Eclipse Problems view.
5.       Isolation of single entities (Filtering) when manipulating large documents
a.       WTP XML Schema editor: Not supported
b.      Data Types editor: Supported for all visualized entities
 
Functional Completeness
 
1.       Basic XSD modeling (Add / Remove / Alter entities with global scope, i.e. Element declarations, attributes, complex / simple types definitions; Add / Remove / Alter entities with local scope, i.e. element declarations / references, attribute declarations / references, re-use of externally defined XSD entities)
a.       Conclusion: Both editors allow for such kind of manipulations
2.       Advanced modeling (Model Groups, Simple Type Definitions with complex content, anonymous type definitions, etc. handling)
a.       WTP XML Schema editor: explicitly modeled in technical manner
b.      Data Types editor: hides complexity (source editing possible for expert users, who would like to know all the details)
3.       Refactoring capabilities
a.       WTP XML Schema editor: supports XSD entity renaming, inheritance, nillable, cardinalities, constraints, switching among local and global scope of XSD entities
b.      Data Types editor: supports XSD entity renaming, inheritance, nillable, cardinalities, constraints, copy & paste of XSD entities
 
 
Please, let me know in case you would need further information.
 
Kind regards,
Emil Simeonov
 
Emil Simeonov
Development Architect
SOA I Foundation & Studio

SAP Labs Bulgaria
136 A, Tsar Boris III Blv.
1618 Sofia, Bulgaria
T + 359 2 9157 602
E emil.simeonov@xxxxxxx
 
From: Keith Chong [mailto:kchong@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, 3. August 2010 06:54
To: Simeonov, Emil
Cc: wtp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Service Interface & Data Types Editor Contribution Proposal
 

Hi Emil,

Interesting proposal.  Have you tried out the existing WSDL and XML Schema Editors currently in WTP ?   For example, see:  http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Introduction_to_the_WSDL_Editor

Regards,
Keith Chong
WTP Web Services

From: "Simeonov, Emil" <emil.simeonov@xxxxxxx>
To: "wtp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx" <wtp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/02/2010 07:12 AM
Subject: [wtp-dev] Service Interface & Data Types Editor Contribution        Proposal
Sent by: wtp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx

 





Hi guys,
 
Herewith we declare our will and readiness to contribute the Service Interface & Data Types Editor as part of the Eclipse WTP Incubator project.
 
In short these are a WSDL 1.1 and a XSD editors, which aim to provide exceptional ease of use, development productivity and simplicity while still being powerful when it comes to the development of such artifacts as part of a SOA / BPM / Web Service deployments.
 
The detailed project proposal can be found  and reviewed here.
 
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP/Service_Interface_and_Data_Types_Editors/Proposal
 
Kind regards,
Emil Simeonov
 
Emil Simeonov
Development Architect
SOA I Foundation & Studio

SAP Labs Bulgaria
136 A, Tsar Boris III Blv.
1618 Sofia, Bulgaria
T + 359 2 9157 602
E emil.simeonov@xxxxxxx
 
 
 
 
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