Re: [wtp-dev] Untriaged defects....

[Lawrence Mandel <lmandel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

>Reality:  This will never be
an issue again because now I know it is incumbent upon me to include this
queue in my queries and I and other diligent committers >will keep it
up to date. 

It may help if component leads (or a
delegate from each of their teams) watches the addressed wst-inbox@xxxxxxxxxxx
and jst-inbox@xxxxxxxxxxxx This way each team will get notified of bugs
open in this component and can assign them appropriately.

Lawrence Mandel

Software Developer
IBM Rational Software
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lmandel@xxxxxxxxxx

John Lanuti <jlanuti@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Arthur, 

This is not the first time this has happened or the first time we have
suggested removal of these ambiguous queues.  Make no mistake, it
is a HUGE deal when ~80 bugs go unnoticed until when we are in release
candidate mode.  We were specifically told not to monitor this Web
Standard Tools queue because we were assured the defects would be triaged
accordingly.  So, here we are...again.  

Proposal:  We use wst.web instead, and drop Web Standard Tools so
this can be proactively avoided. 

Reality:  This will never be an issue again because now I know it
is incumbent upon me to include this queue in my queries and I and other
diligent committers will keep it up to date. 


John Lanuti
Software Engineer, IBM Rational
jlanuti@xxxxxxxxxx
t/l 441-7861

"I know this lady way down in my country.
She is so pretty that my eyes throw disguises at me.
Now we will sit and we'll wonder about our future,
But now I'm thinking that today sounds fine to me."  - Of A Revolution

Arthur Ryman <ryman@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject	Re: [wtp-dev] Untriaged defects....

Chuck, 

The subproject leads own those components. I own the WST one. I thought
I was keeping up, but was shocked to see so many untriaged. I don't know
how they slipped by. 

Many users don't know which component to assign a defect to so they just
use the subproject. Also, there are some cases where a bug affects an entire
subproject, or even the entire project. 

I suggest we keep these, but watch eachother's backs. We should routinely
do a query on the inboxes and route them to the right components.

Arthur Ryman,
IBM Software Group, Rational Division

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Chuck Bridgham <cbridgha@xxxxxxxxxx>
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No that should be removed too....    I would rather have the
originator guess wrong, and see it moved to the right component, then have
it sit there unseen. 

- Chuck 

Rational J2EE Tooling Team Lead
IBM Software Lab - Research Triangle Park, NC
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Phone: 919-254-1848 (T/L: 444)

Lawrence Mandel <lmandel@xxxxxxxxxx>
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If we choose to remove this component is there any value to keeping the
"J2EE Standard Tools" component? 

Lawrence Mandel

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Chuck Bridgham <cbridgha@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject	[wtp-dev] Untriaged defects....

It was brought to our attention this week that we have many untriaged defects
sitting in various "inbox's" 
A Majority of these were in the "Web Standard Tools" component
where there is no clear owner, and it was brought up in the past this component
should be removed from bugzilla. 

Unless we have active triaging on this component, I vote to remove this
component ASAP, to avoid this situation in the future.  Many of these
defects should have been openned in components that I own, and
we had no idea they existed. 

I want to thank John Lanuti for triaging many many defects in this component
today, but we strongly vote to terminate this abandoned component.

Thanks - Chuck 

Rational J2EE Tooling Team Lead
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