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RE: [wtp-dev] Urgent Action Required: Hot Bug List -Fixes NeededBy RC2
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Arthur,
I was going to see what a fix might look like for Tomcat,
and if it seemed reasonable, make a proposal to see if Tim and others are
willing to buy in. I'm working that now and hope to have something by
tomorrow morning, if not today. I'm assuming we are willing to go with
Tim's alternative of keeping the current support for external jars but having a
large release note which doesn't include servers that are able to
implement the fix, if all can't implement it. If I can't find a
solution that looks reasonable, then moving it to 1.0.1 will be
fine.
Either way is okay for SAS, but I know there was some
pressure on the newsgroup which resulted in the external
jar feature. If they are still using 0.7, then this feature is
currently working for them. I think it likely that they don't realize the
ability to use this feature currently disappears along with the .deployables
directory. A regression like that won't help WTP's reputation with some of
its more sophisticated users, so I think it's worth taking an initial look at
it.
Cheers,
Larry
Larry,
WTP will have a maintenance release 1.0.1 based on
Eclipse 3.1.2, after end of January. Should I move your bug to the 1.0.1 Hot
List, or would you like to get a fix in this week?
Arthur Ryman,
IBM Software Group, Rational
Division
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+1-905-413-3077, TL 969-3077
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969-2411
fax: +1-905-413-4920, TL 969-4920
mobile: +1-416-939-5063,
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"Larry Isaacs"
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Hi Tim,
Thanks for the info. I was afraid the story
might be something like that. This does represent a regression from what
worked in WTP 0.7, but given there was no UI to take advantage of external
jars, I don't know how many will be affected by this.
Our situation is
that SAS produces a fairly sizable set of library jars that our IDE needs to
support. In addition, new versions of these jars come out periodically
so our IDE needs to support multiple versions of those jars, which
unfortunately aren't always backwards compatible. To help manage this
situation, we add our own classpath container with its own configuration UI.
For Dynamic Web Projects, we programmatically add the selected jars as
external jars to the project's module to include them in the webapp's
WEB-INF/lib. If this feature isn't supported, then SAS's fall back
position could be to copy them to the project's WEB-INF/lib, which would be
inconvenient workaround, but doable.
Given the nature of the change, I can
understand not wanting to take the risk just for SAS's account. The
issue is probably worth getting a handle on now, but here are two other
alternatives that would meet SAS's needs.
1) The initial
release of our IDE won't occur until some time in early spring. If there
is a 1.0 maintenance release with a fix within that time frame we're okay.
I can't speak for others, though. In the mean time, I'll would
create patched version locally until a fix is available.
2) Perhaps safer
than fixing the bug would be to try to ensure that the Tomcat plug-in is
extendable so that we can provide a fix by building our own plug-in that
extends the Tomcat plug-in. That way we can provide the ability to test
with at least Tomcat (which is what we have in our current IDE) until the fix
can get into WTP 1.5 . A long time ago, I tried extending the Tomcat
plug-in to see what I do to provide Tomcat 3.3 support and ran into some
issues which prevented its success. There might still be some changes
required for this to work, but it's not published API, so the impact of the
changes shouldn't matter. Should such changes happen to prove to risky,
SAS could duplicate the whole plug-in and make changes from there, but it
would be nice not to have to do this. This alternative would imply not
using your first choice below of pulling out all of the external jar function
and going with the second one instead.
Given that my overall grasp of WTP
details probably isn't sufficient to make the ultimate call about fixing this
bug, I'll defer to your judgment. If it's not practical, SAS can try for
one of the two above. Thanks.
Cheers,
Larry
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RE: [wtp-dev] Urgent Action Required: Hot Bug List - Fixes NeededBy
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Hi
Larry,
I've
already started a discussion with the team that added external jar support.
Although it is a cool and valuable function, it was added without any
coordination with the server team. As a result, there are no server adapters
that support it. We've got three options at this point - pull out all of the
external jar function, leave the current support in but add a large release
note about how it is unsupported at runtime, or make some fairly significant
last minute changes in a couple components to get it supported on each of the
server types. I understand that this may be a critical issue for you, but we
need to be clear that this would be new function in RC2 with little chance for
testing.
Thanks,
Tim deBoer
WebSphere Tools - IBM Canada Ltd.
(905) 413-3503
(tieline 969)
deboer@xxxxxxxxxx
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I would like to
add https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=116783 to the hot list as what we are building at SAS
Institute on top of Eclipse and WTP would be severely impacted by this bug.
Though the reporter marked it's severity as "normal", it is critical, or
at least major, for us. I'll start investigating the cause to see what a
fix might look like. Thanks.
Larry Isaacs
Larry.Isaacs@xxxxxxx
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