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Hi all,
I strongly encourage you to have a look
on TPTP for such feature (www.eclipse.org/tptp)
There is already an integration of JUnit
in TPTP. We are currently improving it in order to merge with the existing
JUnit/JDT integration (see https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=74796
and details here: http://www.eclipse.org/tptp/groups/Architecture/documents/features/hf_74796.html)
Moreover, we are also improving the
integration of other JUnit-based tools (see https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=74791
and details here: where Catus is mentioned as the identified testing
tool for J2EE applications).
Using TPTP, we will also benefit from
the others testing & profiling features:
- reporting
- profiling on the app server (coverage,
trace...)
- logging
- rerun
- batch mode
- ....
Feel free to contact me directly if
you want more details. I can setup a meeting.
Thanks
Dominique Guilbaud
Sr. Software Manager
Automated Software Quality
Rational Software
IBM Software Group
Direct: +33 5 62 16 56 52
Mobile: +33 6 16 47 13 12
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Much more complete thread
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Dan,
I think Cactus is in scope since it is a development-time technology.
The scope of WTP is tools that support "de jure" Web application
standards, i.e. those defined by W3C, OASIS, JCP, etc. These are run-time
standards. So, for example, Struts and Hiberate and out of scope even though
they are popular Open Source technologies.
In contrast, we do use a variety of Open Source tool technologies, such
as JUnit and Ant. XDoclet is also in this bucket because it is typically
used to build standard components (e.g. EJB).
Cactus is in the same bucket as Ant and JUnit.
One caution though. We have to obtain explicit approval to redistribute
any third party content. Therefore, we can develop code that integrates
Cactus, but we can't include Cactus without going through the approval
process, first in the WTP PMC, and then via the Eclipse legal counsel.
I think it would be great if you contributed some WTP Cactus integration,
and also wrote a nice tutorial on how to use it.
If you are interested in testing in general, how about looking into the
TPTP project and see if we can exploit it in WTP?
Arthur Ryman,
Rational Desktop Tools Development
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"Daniel Somerfield"
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I did mean the latter. I was hoping to expose cactus testing capability
to the end-user. If this is not something that fits within the scope of
WTP, then perhaps there is some other, more appropriate home for it. It
certainly is going to depend on WTP and Eclipse JUnit integration. I suppose
there isn’t really a standard per-se for testing of server-side components.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Dan
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Hi Dan,
Can you clarify if you mean using Cactus tests to drive some of
our server tooling test scenarios, or providing tooling for end-users to
run cactus tests?
If you mean the former, then that's really cool and you can ignore
the rest of my comments. If you mean the latter, then it may not be within
the scope of the WTP project scope. The Web Tools Platform is meant to
provide tooling only for standards, and while the Jakarta/Apache Cactus
project is a great thing, and perhaps a de facto standard, I don't think
it falls within the boundaries of our scope.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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Michael D. Elder
Rational Studio / J2EE Tools Development
IBM RTP Lab
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From: Jeffrey Liu <jeffliu@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] WTP and Server-side testing
Hi Dan,
Welcome on board. Our goal is to automate as much testing as possible using
JUnit. Right now, we are running these JUnits through the Eclipse testing
framework, which support some level of server-side testing (if by server-side
you mean the Eclipse workbench). If by server-side you mean testing J2EE
container code such as servlet and EJB, I don't think we have any of these
tests yet. Even if we do, the number is very limited.
I'm not very familiar with Cactus myself, but I'm very interested to see
it in action. AFAIK, Cactus builds around JUnit, so if the need is there,
I can't think of a reason why we don't want to use it. Maybe we can chat
offline and discuss the specifics.
Thanks,
Jeffrey Liu
IBM Rational Software - Performance Analyst
IBM Toronto Lab.
8200 Warden Ave. Markham, Ontario, L6G 1C7
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"Daniel Somerfield"
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Hi everyone,
Following Konstantin’s lead, I would also like to say a quick hello. I
am a co-worker of his at BEA and work on the debugger side of things. I
am hoping to be able to contribute in the area of debugging and testing.
Speaking of which, I have a question about what, if any plans, there are
to support server-side component testing (such as cactus tests)? I have
cobbled together a cactus launch short-cut that I would be happy to contribute
to WTP. Right now I use a couple of internal packages that I probably shouldn’t,
both in junit and wst. I would love to advice for how to clean it up so
I am not abusing the API-usage conventions.
Is cactus something of interest or is there something else in the works
for testing? I would be happy to chat either on the mailing list or off-line
if there are other interested parties.
Thanks very much and it is nice to meet you all,
Dan
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