Re: [wb-dev] WB and Neon

[Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

Thanks Eric Clayberg for the kind words for me.

Meanwhile Frederic Gurr helped by contributing the signing for the WB
build. So we are almost there. I plan to setup a build on the HIPP via
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=497162.

Eric Rizzo, I suggest to raise your hand to Eric Clayberg if you want
to help with the code and build. maintenance.

Best regards, Lars

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:09 AM, Eric Clayberg <clayberg@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I believe the final required step is getting the build signed and the update
> site published.
>
> I would agree that the WB project is completely dysfunctional due to lack of
> viable committers, and it does make the community look bad. For a project
> that is well used, no one (until just recently) has been interested in
> providing any help. I have asked for new committers many times over the
> years as our existing resources dwindled with no interest whatsoever. The
> project finally "broke" when we lost our Google-based build infrastructure
> and our build guy effectively stepped down. That meant we had no way to
> create a new build at all. Fortunately, Lars stepped up to create a new
> Tycho based build and became our first new committer in 5+ years (Thank you,
> Lars!!). That build had to pretty much be created from scratch and that has
> put an enormous burden on Lars' time. Getting some of the more difficult
> parts done (like the signing) have been difficult and required new
> Eclipse.org based infrastructure to be set up.
>
> In the end once the new build is completely set up and automated, the
> project will be much better off at least in the sense that it will have a
> current build that will track bug fixes and Eclipse releases. The project is
> still extremely light on active committers and no one is actively working on
> the code itself. It has basically been in long term maintenance mode simply
> to support those Java IDE users who expect it to be there. New functionality
> has not been added for years although the existing functionality continues
> to work pretty well. A couple of the committers have some limited
> availability to fix critical bugs but that is about it. The project very
> much needs new committers interested in taking the project forward.
>
> Lars can chime in with anything he needs specifically to keep this moving
> forward (and once again, thank you, Lars, for coming to WB's rescue!!).
>
> I will also reiterate my plea to the community for folks interested in
> working on the project. Without new committers, WB will stay in long term
> keep-the-lights on mode with only critical bug fixes applied and no new
> functionality.
>
> -Eric
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Eric Rizzo <eclipse-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> Since WindowBuilder was not included in the Neon simrel, nor do you have a
>> Neon (4.6) compatible build available in your own repo, this is a bad look
>> for Eclipse; most Java IDE users expect GUI building functionality that has
>> been there for years.
>>
>> I see that Lars worked to get a Tycho-based build working, and I've
>> commented on a couple of bugs*, asking what it will take to get a release
>> that can be installed into Neon, but so far there has been no response at
>> all. To this outsider, it really appears that the WB project is somewhat
>> dysfunctional and leadership is not being responsive to the community.
>>
>> I'm not making accusations, just asking what it will take to get a
>> Neon-compatible release of WB so the broad Eclipse Java user community isn't
>> left with home-grown updates sites, questions, and FUD.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Eric
>>
>> * https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=437131
>> * https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=481842
>> * https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=497162
>>
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