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Re: [ve-dev] ktable or something like it in eclipse
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Just found a maintained branch of ktable, which is getting pretty
advanced now:
http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=114292
Its mentioned in:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=37998
and supprts - sorting, fixed cells, spanning cells on top of standard
ktable features.
Hopefully now this is maturing it increases its chances of standard
adoption within some aspect of eclipse.
Mark
Mark Proctor wrote:
I've raised this in both platform-ui-dev and platform-swt-dev and each
time it raises interest, but it seems its not getting any ownership -
ie I'm obviously not getting through to the right stakeholders. So I
thought I would try here, as ktable, or something like ktable being
supported in VE would be awesome - and hopefully you people might know
who best to pass this information onto.
Someone has blogged my recent ktable lobbying efforts -
http://www.clientjava.com/blog/2005/07/07/1120745407143.html.
Here is a copy of my email with a quick list of arguments of the top
of my head:
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Was chatting on irc to a developer - as ktable is available
independantly he didn't see the need to include ktable. He compared
this to GTK+ saying there is not much of a call beyond their existing
table support, so why should we need this for eclipse. I argued this
from several points.
1) ktable us there, why not use it.
2) If you want swt/jface to be seen as an alternative, whether you
like it or not, you are going to need to include equivalent, if not
better, functionality.
3) Flexible table support is something probably used enough to warrant
it being included as standard
4) External libraries can suffer from abandonware, with something
important as ktable this is not something you want to happen. I dont
believe ktable is abondoned, just that it works for the developers
needs - howver no release in over a year is always worrying when
choosing your dependencies.
5) Maybe Java development culture is different to GTK+, people prefer
that the functionality works out of the box rather than googling for
some random library that might do the job.
Anyway just some random points I could think of. I'm sure this can be
argued either way - but my gut feeling is that advanced table support
is something that is needed and should be available as part of the
eclipse patform.
Mark
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And here is one of my original emails trawling the internet about
interest in a ktable like widget:
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I don't know if this is the right place to raise this - doesn't seem
to be a jface specific mailing list.
Anway a little while ago I raised the need for a jtable like widget as
swt table is far too limited, I found ktable (which is based on jtable
but written for eclipse), it worked very well. I recommended ktable
for inclusion in SWT, but was informed that its emulated and thus out
of scope for SWT and belongs with JFace.
Anyway KTable development has stopped, last release was Mar 04 2004,
which makes people nervous about using abandonware. So while people
are thinking of 3.2 features I would like to put my vote for flexible
and powerfull table features being included as standard in eclipse -
so it hopefully gains momentum/backing.
ktable ->
http://www.kupzog.de/fkmk_uk/Programming/Downloads/downloads.html
I've noticed the need for this in some bugzilla's:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=37998
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=79727
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=4566
request for this in blogs:
http://www.clientjava.com/blog/2004/11/05/1099665296000.html
http://www.luisdelarosa.com/blog/2005/03/endtoend_rcp_ap.html
and from news/mailing lists:
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform.swt/msg13933.html
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform.swt/msg14041.html
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform.swt/msg09530.html
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform.swt/msg13996.html
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform.swt/msg14006.html
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform.swt/msg12096.html
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform.swt/msg09089.html
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.platform.swt/msg20570.html
... lots more, but you get the idea that "maybe try ktable" is
littered throught the mailing lists.
ktable used in Logic MindGuide -
http://www.eclipse.org/community/rcp.html
Mark
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