Re: [ve-dev] Re: Re: NetBeans GUI Builder...

[Joe Winchester <WINCHEST@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi PerezDeQueya80

Thankyou very much for your feedback.


We do have a bugzilla feature request
open for implement Cut/Copy/Paste functionality https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=48602
so please add yourself as a cc member to the feature and provide more specifics
there about how you'd like to see it implemented.  We were just thinking
along the lines of standard copy/paste of controls so I'd be intrigued
to see what extra flexibility over and above this you are visualizing.
 

For refactoring a feature that I've
seen before is morph capability where you can select a control and morph
it into another and have any common properties carried forward and redundent
ones dropped.  This might be useful if you wish to swop a control
out for one of its superclasses.  This can be done using the Java
editor at the bottom of the VE and any refactoring done here on the source
will be reflected back in the VE.  One feature of the VE is that it
works directly with the source as its only copy of the GUI, so it parses
it into the GUI model and generates down into it.  Netbeans I believe
doesn't do this, so changes made to the source are not reflected back into
the GUI and although you can add extra program logic at specific code insertion
points you can't manipulate the source that represents the GUI code and
have this round tripped back into the GUI.  

For the GridBagLayout editor with the
VE have you switched on the grid using "Show Grid" on the JPanel's
pop-up menu.  This should show you a grid which lets you do similar
things to the netbeans one, although they have taken the approach of not
showing you WYSIWYG controls during editing but instead exploding the grid
including empty rows/columns.  Because empty rows/columns have no
size (as this is determined by the bounds of the highest or widest component)
it can't be targetted during a VE drop, however you can insert between
rows and columns and the feedback should show you the result of the insertion.
 There is also an alignment toolbar button that lets you work with
things like GridBagConstraints attachments like anchor and fill.  Please
play with these (if you haven't already) and if you would like to see anything
further done create a bugzilla feature request that is specific about what
you'd like to see.

Best regards,

Joe Winchester

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The first thing that i think is the speed... I have a PentiumIII 800MHz and NetBeans GUI Builder is faster... the VE, under this
point of view, is unusable. But i'm waiting for an upgrade... ;)
Then the NetBeans GUI Builder have a very flexible Cut/Copy/Paste manager, direct (and very fast) refactoring and a very beautiful
GridBagLayout manager...
If you ask why I use Eclipse... it is my company that imposes it... however, out of GUI Builder, the rest of Eclipse is
insuperable...
Very thanks for attention :)
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PerezDeQueya80

P.S. since netbeans it is opensource, could not itself be integrated it with some small modification?

----- Original Message -----
> Hi PreqezDeQueya,
>
> Plugin development is the architecture that describes how you contribute
> to Eclipse.  Eclipse is made up of a set up of modules that define the
> modules they require (their pre-requisites) and also the functionality
> they contribute.  The contributions are defined in something called the
> manifest that is basically an XML file that says stuff like "I want to add
> this menu contribution" or "I want to add this viewer".  There are a
> number of good books on Eclipse, the best of which I know are "the Java
> Developers guide to Eclipse" and "Contributing to Eclipes" and "Building
> commercial quality plugin-ins" all by Addison Wesley.
>
> NetBeans is a good GUI builder, however a question as to integrating it
> into Eclipse would be better asked to the NetBeans development team
> themselves.
>
> Are there any particular features of NetBeans that you wish to see
> integrated into the Eclipse visual editor ?  We're always striving to
> improve the visual editor based on user feedback so specific requests such
> as, for example, "Support SpringLayout" or "Support JSpinner" or whatever
> we can estimate, schedule and put into a release.
>
> Best regards and many thanks,
>
> Joe Winchester
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>
> I'm ignorant of plugin development... but i have seen the NetBeans GUI
> builder and it's much advanced one... could itself be
> integrated this in eclipse? it would be fantastic...
> --
> PerezDeQueya80

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