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Re: [tools-pmc] Restructure Eclipse Data Tools as an EclipseToolssubproject

Officially, Brian Payton is the DTP lead, but he hasn’t been active for quite a while. DTP is indeed at 0 active committers. Had it been a leaf project, it would likely have been archived long ago, but since it is in a middle of quite a few dependency chains, it keeps limping along in a zombie state.

 

Thanks,

 

- Konstantin

 

PS: BIRT depends on DTP. At one point in time someone from BIRT was going to help out with DTP, but that didn’t happen.

 

 

From: Doug Schaefer
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 3:08 PM
To: Tools PMC mailing list
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Restructure Eclipse Data Tools as an EclipseToolssubproject

 

Is there an active project lead for Data Tools? Is it really 0 active committers? If that’s the case, it’s not operating as a project at all.

 

BTW, same question for BIRT.

 

Doug.

 

From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne Beaton
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 4:13 PM
To: Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Restructure Eclipse Data Tools as an Eclipse Toolssubproject

 

Thanks for the work that you've done to keep Eclipse Data Tools afloat, Konstantin.

 

Data Tools is no longer operating as a Top Level Project, so I'm obligated to recategorize it.

 

In practical terms, very little will really change with this "change". The repositories will stay in the same place, and committer status will stay intact. The project and UNIX group ids will change, but that should have no impact on anybody.

 

The only practical impact on the PMCs is that they will be responsible for approving CQs, reviews, etc.

 

Fixing the resources problem is a separate issue. I've expressed some crazy thoughts on this topic in Bugzilla.

 

HTH,

Wayne

 

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It is true that DTP has 0 active committers. I jumped in previously because aggregation was stuck and an updated DTP build was required. Back then, I had the time and the inclination to work on pruning DTP down to a more manageable codebase given drastically lower resources available for maintenance. Sadly, there was no stomach in the community for the such changes. At this point, I no longer have the time available for DTP.

 

The DTP/Oxygen problem [1] that Aleksandar has referenced is more insidious. Since Platform doesn’t properly follow bundle versioning convention (breaking changes without major version bump), the aggregation does succeed with the last release of DTP (1.14), but presumably some subset of functionality is broken at runtime. I will prepare a 1.14.1 build today with the necessary fixes, but someone else will need to step up to test it and try to shepherd it into Oxygen.2 or .3 aggregation.

 

Frankly, I don’t think it matters much at this point whether DTP ends up under Tools or under WTP or stays on its own. The projects and companies that depend on DTP will presumably take care of it as needed wherever it lives. Given the dire lack of resource commitments, my current recommendation would be to leave it where it is. Not because it’s an optimal solution, but I just don’t see where the resources would come from to even do the minimal work of ensuring that the move goes through without problems, setting up the build, etc. Last thing we need is to end up again in the situation where a DTP fix is required and we have no immediate means to build it. Maybe it would be best not to rock the boat.

 

[1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=510140

 

Thanks,

 

- Konstantin

 

 

From: Aleksandar Kurtakov
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 10:22 PM
To: Tools PMC mailing list
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Restructure Eclipse Data Tools as an Eclipse Toolssubproject

 

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 12:26 AM, Wayne Beaton

<wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Greetings Tools PMC.

> The Eclipse Data Tools project is no longer operating as a Top Level Project

> and so I'd like to restructure it as a subproject. There are two reasonable

> homes for the project: Tools or Web Tools.

> Does the Tools PMC have a strong feeling either way?

> I've created an issue to track the process and gather feedback. Your input

> appreciated.

> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bugs.eclipse.org_bugs_show-5Fbug.cgi-3Fid-3D510140&d=DwICAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=ec4_DgVil5uG0h1oyBd1slGDWiBN9vlxeofu9jIhqp86mXJaHUtLLXs9PPYJbQOF&m=gMysq5Y91X3Cx5kZvJy8fXl-tV9ojXzbfWNoXyfvlWQ&s=zTk4wLcEOj08LKG9_E_I0kqPn97oReGuoA8qOhu6a_4&e=

> I would like to start this work in early 2018.

 

I wouldn't mind DTP as tools project as long as there is at least one

committer keeping it alive. In my personal experience it's quite dead

project. E.g. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bugs.eclipse.org_bugs_show-5Fbug.cgi-3Fid-3D516170&d=DwICAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=ec4_DgVil5uG0h1oyBd1slGDWiBN9vlxeofu9jIhqp86mXJaHUtLLXs9PPYJbQOF&m=gMysq5Y91X3Cx5kZvJy8fXl-tV9ojXzbfWNoXyfvlWQ&s=EXWEl0Aa_vyPJesCnPIdUgY1B8NX6XruHlKE-ZTq3ks&e= is

pending for months and there is no way this would work under Oxygen.

What about it having standard workflow - gerrit, tycho, etc. ? Is this

smth the Tools PMC would have to help stuff and enforce?

 

> Wayne

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