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Re: [tools-pmc] FW: [CQ 8391] Apache cordova Version: 3.0.0 and later

I’m not sure what the PMC’s interest is here. There’s a legal question which I assumed was between the Eclipse IP team and the project.

At any rate, I would be perfectly fine if Thym only ever worked with Cordova and find the button to download Cordova an important feature for it’s users. Thus my +1.

But then, I’m perfectly fine if CDT redistributed the GPL GNU toolchain so I wouldn’t have to do it externally.

Doug.

From: Gorkem Ercan <gorkem.ercan@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, September 8, 2014 at 3:01 PM
To: Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] FW: [CQ 8391] Apache cordova Version: 3.0.0 and later




On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM, David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I feel I'm being asked to "rubber stamp" something that hasn't been fully explained.

I made my initial comments in https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=8391#c7 (where I expressed doubt that it met the sprit of the "works with" clause of
https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse_Policy_and_Procedure_for_3rd_Party_Dependencies_Final.pdf

To me, the spirit of that clause is, some Eclipse software is perfectly fine without the pre-req, but the pre-req is typically available, and if it is available, then the user gets some extra functionality. [The example of a "web browser" is given in the document. A more recent example might be the use of SWT's "GTK 3" .. if GTK 3 is available, it uses that for extra functionality, and if not, drops back to using GTK 2. And GTK is pretty much universally available on Linux distributions, and if by chance, neither are available, I believe they have some other "fallback" to use. Notice they do not simply "make GTK easier to get."]

So that leaves me with some unanswered questions: 
1) is Tyme useful/usable without it? And this "Cordova" just gives them something extra?

I think, this is more like Apache Tomcat and WTP server tools relation rather than GTK. Similar to WTP does with Tomcat and other application servers , Thym also provides a download button to its users so that they can download a Cordova version from Apache and use it for testing and distributing.
 

2) It was stated "nothing is being distributed" with Tyme, but the intent was '...to make sure Thym users can get set up with Cordova
with minimal effort." I interpret this as opposite of the "works with" clause ... that it is not commonly available, so there is ?something? being distributed that makes it easier to get. What is is that something? What happens if a user does not want to get it?

Cordova is not commonly available as in GTK but as in Tomcat server. Cordova is a shell iOS, Android (or other supported platform's) application that is packed together with the HTML, _javascript_ and CSS that you have developed as your application. This allows mobile applications to be developed with HTML5 and deployed to multiple platforms. 
 


I hope I don't seem I'm "holding things up" over technicalities ... but I believe it's my (our) responsibility to understand and judge these "rules" as best we can. In that spirit, I'm fully acknowledging I may simply be ignorant of what's being done and what "Cordova" is ... hence ... open and transparent discussion' :)

Thanks,





From:        Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>
To:        Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:        09/04/2014 12:17 PM
Subject:        [tools-pmc] FW: [CQ 8391] Apache cordova Version: 3.0.0 and later
Sent by:        tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx




Anyone want to deal with this? I¹m not sure why we have to vote on this.
+1 from me in any case.

On 2014-09-04, 10:02 AM, "emo-ip-team@xxxxxxxxxxx"
<emo-ip-team@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=8391
>
>
>Sharon Corbett <sharon.corbett@xxxxxxxxxxx> changed:
>
>           What    |Removed                     |Added
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>           Severity|triage                      |awaiting_pmc
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>
>
>--- Comment #18 from Sharon Corbett <sharon.corbett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>2014-09-04 10:02:52 ---
>Thanks Doug;
>
>Unfortunately there actually needs to be an "open and transparent"
>discussion
>on the matter to ensure the exception meets the Eclipse Third Party
>Dependency
>Guidelines [1] followed by PMC voting on the issue.  This needs to be
>captured
>and most projects perform this via the PMC Mailing List.
>
>Typical rule of thumb is to use the standard voting rule...Five days max
>(or
>until everybody votes), minimum of 3 +1s, no -1s.
>
>The PMC Mailing URL is then provided back here in order for the IP Team to
>process the request accordingly.
>
>Can I leave this with you and/or David to initiate and provide an update
>here
>of the relevant URL when the vote has completed?
>
>Regards,
>Sharon
>
>[1]
>
https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse_Policy_and_Procedure_for_3rd
>_Party_Dependencies_Final.pdf
>
>
>
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