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RE: [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor project
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Philippe Ombredanne
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:52 PM
> To: 'Tools PMC mailing list'
> Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor project
>
> Chris:
> Yep!
> It needs help.
> Some of the simple things that can be done in the short term:
> - frequent builds, weeklies or monthlies. at the minimum monthly.
> Erik and I worked, and I posted a revised patch here. Joe told me he
> would be looking at it today.
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=202562
> I also made an un-official build on that patch.
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065&package_id=
> 154855&release_id=539176
> - scheduled open calls
> - and bug triage: Chris, I would like to put it up on the next Eclipse
> bug day as a task: triage on VE. we have more than 400 . that is a
> daunting task to review, close, test, and so on. I am pretty sure that
> there are at least half of tem which are stalled, irrelevant bugs.
>
> Doug:
> I think the community needs it and wants it.
> A little would go a long way. This is a mature code base.
Cool. If you guys are willing to contribute and the existing committers are
still around enough to get things going for you, then I don't think the PMC
needs to do anything but thank you :). And of course approve your committer
elections when they happen.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Philippe
> http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net - http://eclipse.org/atf
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:43 AM
> > To: Ed Merks; Tools PMC mailing list
> > Cc: Bjorn Freeman-Benson; 'Gaff, Doug'; Erik Hecht; Michael
> > Thonhauser; Philippe Ombredanne
> > Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor project
> >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > VE could use a little love ;)
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:24:19
> > To:Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc:Bjorn Freeman-Benson <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > "'Chris Aniszczyk'" <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Gaff,
> > Doug'" <doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Erik Hecht
> > <erik@xxxxxxxxxx>, Michael Thonhauser
> > <michael.thonhauser@xxxxxxxxx>, Philippe Ombredanne
> > <pombredanne@xxxxxxxx>, Tools PMC mailing list
> > <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>, tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor project
> >
> >
> > Doug,
> >
> > Yes, you can see that he's on an earlier note in the chain,
> > but there's
> > been no response. I can only assume that folks are too busy on other
> > things to answer their notes. There seems to be a fair bit
> > of interest in
> > VE from the community given the newsgroup traffic, but that
> > just doesn't
> > equate to a desire actually contribute to it.
> >
> > I don't know anything about NAB, but it's an interesting question...
> >
> >
> > Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> > mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> > 905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug Schaefer
> >
> > <DSchaefer@xxxxxx
> >
> > m>
> > To
> > Sent by: Tools PMC mailing list
> >
> > tools-pmc-bounces
> > <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > @eclipse.org
> > cc
> > Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> >
> >
> > <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > 09/13/2007 09:59 "'Chris Aniszczyk'"
> >
> > AM
> > <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>, Michael
> > Thonhauser
> >
> >
> > <michael.thonhauser@xxxxxxxxx>,
> > Please respond to "'Gaff, Doug'"
> >
> > Tools PMC mailing
> > <doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Philippe
> > list Ombredanne
> > <pombredanne@xxxxxxxx>,
> > <tools-pmc@eclips Erik Hecht
> > <erik@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > e.org>
> > Subject
> > RE: [tools-pmc] Fw:
> > Reviving the
> > Visual Editor project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I assume Joe Winchester is still the project lead. Has he
> > been contacted
> > about this?
> >
> > Aside from making sure everyone is in the loop. I?m all for
> > new blood on
> > VE. Although the lack of interest from the community in VE
> > has me worried
> > that it may not be the right solution for the problem.
> >
> > I also wonder if there is any synergy to be had between VE
> > and NAB (Native
> > Application Builder). NAB is more for native GUIs, but it would be
> > interesting to see if that could be expanded to include SWT
> > and Swing. Just
> > a thought?
> >
> > Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
> > Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
> >
> > From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Jeff McAffer
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:28 AM
> > To: Tools PMC mailing list
> > Cc: Bjorn Freeman-Benson; 'Chris Aniszczyk'; Michael Thonhauser;
> > tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx; Philippe Ombredanne;
> > tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx;
> > Erik Hecht
> > Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor project
> >
> >
> > If the project is abandoned and there are reasonable people willing to
> > stand up and do work/maintenance then it is hard to complain.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > Merks/Toront
> >
> > o/IBM@IBMCA
> >
> > Sent by:
> > To
> > tools-pmc-bo tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > unces@eclips
> > cc
> > e.org Michael Thonhauser
> > <michael.thonhauser@xxxxxxxxx>, Erik
> > Hecht <erik@xxxxxxxxxx>, "'Chris
> > Aniszczyk'"
> > <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>, Bjorn
> > Freeman-Benson
> > 09/13/2007 <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > Philippe Ombredanne
> > 08:06 AM <pombredanne@xxxxxxxx>
> >
> >
> > Subject
> > [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor
> > project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please
> >
> > respond to
> >
> > Tools PMC
> >
> > mailing
> >
> > list
> >
> > <tools-pmc@
> >
> > eclipse.org
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the spam. I'm reposting since the last post may be
> > blocked in
> > the review queue...
> >
> >
> > Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> > mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> > 905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
> >
> >
> > ----- Forwarded by Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM on 09/13/2007 08:05 AM -----
> >
> > Ed
> > Merks/Toronto/IBM
> >
> > To
> > 09/13/2007 08:04 tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > AM
> > cc
> > Philippe Ombredanne
> > <pombredanne@xxxxxxxx>, "'Chris
> > Aniszczyk'"
> > <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>,
> > Michael Thonhauser
> > <michael.thonhauser@xxxxxxxxx>,
> > Erik Hecht
> > <erik@xxxxxxxxxx>, Bjorn
> > Freeman-Benson
> >
> > <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Subject
> > Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor
> > project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tools PMC Members,
> >
> > The VE project appears to be in need of a kick start. The existing
> > committers are inactive, i.e., they do not response to notes,
> > newsgroup
> > questions, nor do they incorporate contributed patches. A new set of
> > committers is needed. Philippe and Erik appear to be good
> > candidates,
> > although I have yet to get an e-mail response from Erik to
> > any of the notes
> > I've sent him whereas Philippe appears to be very responsive,
> > so Philippe
> > appears to be the best candidate to lead the project.
> >
> > What are your thoughts on this?
> >
> >
> > Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> > mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> > 905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
> >
> >
> > ----- Forwarded by Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM on 09/13/2007 07:54 AM -----
> >
> > Bjorn
> > Freeman-Benson
> > <bjorn.freeman-be
> > To
> > nson@xxxxxxxxxxx> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> >
> > cc
> > 09/07/2007 09:58 Philippe Ombredanne
> > AM <pombredanne@xxxxxxxx>, "'Chris
> > Aniszczyk'"
> > <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>,
> > Michael Thonhauser
> > <michael.thonhauser@xxxxxxxxx>,
> > Erik Hecht
> > <erik@xxxxxxxxxx>, Rich
> > Kulp <richkulp@xxxxxxxxxx>, Joe
> > Winchester
> > <WINCHEST@xxxxxxxxxx>,
> > Nick Boldt/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> >
> > Subject
> > Re: Reviving the Visual Editor
> > project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed, Phillippe, others,
> > List of committers:
> > http://www.eclipse.org/projects/lists.php?list=byproject¶m
> > =tools.ve
> > By activity:
> > http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/active-committers
> > .cgi?project=tools.ve
> >
> >
> > If you want to reboot the project, the Tools PMC should be the ones to
> > make that happen. I'm definitely in support of rebooting it with new
> > committers, so get the Tools PMC to advertise the fact to the larger
> > community and we'll go forward with it.
> >
> > Ed Merks wrote:
> > > Philippe,
> > >
> > > Chris and I will try to find out who is currently a
> > committer and how we
> > > can move forward by installing new committers who can take
> > an active role
> > > in keeping this project viable. I've copied all the folks
> > who I think
> > are
> > > interested parties. Perhaps Bjorn is in a good position to
> > know who is
> > > currently a committer and what process should be followed
> > to install a
> > new
> > > set of committers for a project that currently appears to be
> > committerless.
> > > There appears to be a set of changes to make VE work with
> > Eclipse 3.3 and
> > > there is a vested community interest in getting these into CVS and
> > > producing builds for it. Nick might be able to invest a very small
> > amount
> > > of time with build infrastructure if that's necessary. If
> > anyone has
> > > constructive suggestions for how to move forward, we're all ears!
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> > > mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > 905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > "Philippe
> >
> > > Ombredanne"
> >
> > > <pombredanne@nexb
> > To
> > > .com> "'Chris Aniszczyk'"
> >
> > > <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>, Ed
> >
> > > 09/06/2007 10:34 Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> >
> > > PM
> > cc
> > >
> >
> > >
> > Subject
> > > Reviving the Visual
> > Editor project
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All:
> > > The Visual Editor project is distress.
> > > we have been shipping it with EasyEclipse until now, and are stucked
> > > without committer support which all seem to be awol.
> > > There are over 400 open bugs, and no commits since May 2007.
> > > There is a small group of people that care about it, and
> > would want to
> > > maintain it, even if it minimally for starters.
> > > The initial and modest goals would be to :
> > > 1/ update VE such that it can run on 3.3 Europa: there is already a
> > > patch that has been worked on by Erik Hecht and we tested
> > it nicely with
> > > 3.3.
> > > 2/ maintain VE so that it could be part of Ganymede.
> > > If there is enough momemtum that can be gathered from step
> > one, we could
> > > move forward and address important bugs and performance issues.
> > > If nothing is done the project is dead.
> > > A minimal effort that we are ready to commit can keep it afloat.
> > > Ed you seem to care lately based on your news posts.
> > > I would like the topic brought forward at the board meeting
> > (unless we
> > > can resolve it between committers before then).
> > > Cordially
> > > --
> > > Cheers
> > > Philippe
> > > http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net -
> > http://eclipse.org/atf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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