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Re: [tm-dev] Will "Terminal (Old)" be removed before GA? 
I'm sorry, but I'm not following at all.
As far as I can tell, the plugin org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.ui is part of the distribution and is not hidden in any update site. It's an integral part of the org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.feature. Am I wrong here? 

org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.ui has, in its plugin xml, the following:

      <view
            allowMultiple="true"
category="org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.ui.views.category"
class="org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.ui.view.TerminalsView"
            icon="icons/eview16/terminal_view.gif"
            id="org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.ui.TerminalsView"
            name="%TerminalsView.name">
      </view>
<!-- Contribute another view with the old ID to handle the ID change --> 
      <view
            allowMultiple="true"
class="org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.ui.view.OldTerminalsViewHandler"
            icon="icons/eview16/terminal_view.gif"
            id="org.eclipse.tcf.te.ui.terminals.TerminalsView"
            name="%TerminalsView.name.old">
      </view>


So it seems this plugin.xml is contributing two views.
> AFAIK neither the EPP packages nor Mars itself will offer the "Terminal(Old)" view; it's only on the TM update site and pretty hidden. So I'm not sure how any user would get the old view. 

Basically, it APPEARS as follows:
  1) org.eclipse.tm.terminal.feature is the primary feature
2) org.eclipse.tm.terminal.feature includes org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.feature 3) org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.feature has the plugin org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.ui 4) org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.ui declares two views, one with name Terminal (Old)
Can you please explain how this is hidden on an update site? Am I reading something wrong here? Is org.eclipse.tm.terminal.view.ui not part of the EPP distribution? As far as I can tell, that's the only plugin actually declaring a view, and it declares two. 

- Rob Stryker



On 05/29/2015 06:46 AM, Oberhuber, Martin wrote:

Hi Rob,

AFAIK neither the EPP packages nor Mars itself will offer the "Terminal(Old)" view; it's only on the TM update site and pretty hidden.
So I'm not sure how any user would get the old view.

Perhaps if they "upgrade" from Luna to Mars ... then they probably keep/update the old view and I'm not sure if we can (or want to) avoid that.

We've done a lot of testing on these kind of migration scenarios, we did find some issues (which you'll find in bugzilla, few are still unresolved), but from my POV we've come to a point where we (committers) don't want to invest more. If there is specific install/upgrade scenarios that you care about, please do the respective testing, file bugzilla's and contribute fixes if you find it necessary.

Hope that helps and you can understand our stance !

Thanks !
Martin
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-----Original Message-----
From: tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob Stryker
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 5:33 AM
To: tm-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [tm-dev] Will "Terminal (Old)" be removed before GA?

Hi Uwe:

The concern here (at least from our perspective) is that the unification was meant to reduce the number of terminals, so that when a user goes window -> show view -> other  and types "Terminal", they see only one (or possibly two) relevant results with visibly different names.  So I'd like to make sure that we're not going to see two views both named "Terminal" , which will be confusing for a user if a how-to guide indicates they should open the view named "Terminal".

Can we ensure that the situation  as currently projected to appear in GA won't be confusing for users?

- Rob

On 05/27/2015 04:09 AM, Stieber, Uwe wrote:

Hi Rob,

AFAIK, the "Terminal (Old)" view will stay for TM Terminal 4.0 GA. The view helps with migration issues from TM Terminal 3.x to TM Terminal 4.0. You should not see this label in the Eclipse UI anywhere, so it should not be a problem.

Best regards, Uwe :)



-----Original Message-----
From: tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Rob Stryker
Sent: Dienstag, 26. Mai 2015 19:43
To: tm-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tm-dev] Will "Terminal (Old)" be removed before GA?

Hi All:

Just curious if the current plan includes removing the terminal with
name "Terminal (Old)" or if it will stay through GA?

Thanks in advance.

- Rob Stryker
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