Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM 3.7?

[Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>]

We quickly discussed this on the architecture council call and it appears
there are commits happening, but it¹s not being picked up by the portal at
the moment. So it¹s not quite dead yet :). But certainly at issue.

Doug.

On 2014-11-13, 11:10 AM, "Michael Scharf" <eclipse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>+1 let it die unless someone steps up...
>
>Michael
>
>On 2014-11-13 15:52, Greg Watson wrote:
>> I¹m fine with this if we have everyone¹s agreement. Committers on the
>>project are:
>>
>> € Anna Dushistova
>> € David McKnight
>> € Greg Watson
>> € Kevin Doyle
>> € Martin Oberhuber
>> € Michael Scharf
>> € Uwe Stieber
>>
>> Assuming Martin and Uwe have already agreed, I¹d like to have a +1 from
>>Anna, David, Kevin, and Michael before proceeding. I don¹t think we can
>>proceed unless we have at least a majority of committers voting +1.
>>
>> If we go ahead with archiving TM, I suggest we use Luna SR2 for the
>>final release and withdraw from Mars.
>>
>> Here¹s a summary:
>>
>> 1. Announce TM change proposal to cross-project
>> a. Final release of TM 3.7 with Luna SR2
>> b. TM to withdraw from Mars
>> 2. Agreement from TCF project to host Terminal
>> 3. Approval from PMC for restructuring review
>> 4. Restructuring review to move Terminal to TCF
>> 5. Approval from PMC for termination review
>> 6. Termination review
>> 7. TM is archived
>>
>> Is this agreed? Anybody not in agreement?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:13 AM, Oberhuber, Martin
>><Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Ok.
>>> If the plan of archiving TM solidifies, we¹ll need to inform
>>>cross-project about that.
>>> Greg are you going to do that ?
>>> I could imagine that there will be a couple downstream projects who
>>>won¹t be happy about TM being archived, so better announce early.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Martin
>>> --
>>> *Martin Oberhuber*, SMTS / Product Owner ­ Development Tools,*Wind
>>>River*
>>> direct +43.662.457915.85  fax +43.662.457915.6
>>> *From:*tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>[mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]*On Behalf Of*Stieber, Uwe
>>> *Sent:*Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:25 AM
>>> *To:*TM project developer discussions
>>> *Subject:*Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM 3.7?
>>> Hi Martin,
>>> Sounds like a plan to me.
>>> Best regards, UweJ
>>> *From:*tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>><mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]*O
>>>n Behalf Of*Oberhuber, Martin
>>> *Sent:*Donnerstag, 13. November 2014 08:59
>>> *To:*TM project developer discussions
>>> *Subject:*Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM 3.7?
>>> So, following sounds like a plan:
>>> 1.Terminal is moved from TM to TCF (that¹s where the active committers
>>>are)
>>> 2.We need one more release of TM (Luna SR2 or Mars) such that we can
>>>clean up the dependencies on the Terminal
>>> 3.After that, TM can be archived as a project.
>>> Do the committers agree ?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Martin
>>> --
>>> *Martin Oberhuber*, SMTS / Product Owner ­ Development Tools,*Wind
>>>River*
>>> direct +43.662.457915.85  fax +43.662.457915.6
>>> *From:*tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>><mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]*O
>>>n Behalf Of*Stieber, Uwe
>>> *Sent:*Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:03 AM
>>> *To:*TM project developer discussions
>>> *Subject:*Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM 3.7?
>>> Hi Greg,
>>> Well, I can speak only for Terminal and the Terminal is definitely
>>>under active development. There might be just 2 active committers left,
>>>myself and Martin Oberhuber from time to time, but we still do changes
>>>and we still need releases.
>>> I would be OK to move out the Terminal from the TM project but the
>>>proposed common project where things like the Terminal could live does
>>>not exist yet. I¹m also fine with moving the Terminal widget to the TCF
>>>project container, but
>>> that¹s something Martin Oberhuber needs to decide.
>>> For the Terminal, the main complains are not necessarily bugs at this
>>>point of time, the main complains are about the fact that you do have
>>>multiple Terminal views in Eclipse once RSE is installed. 2 views are
>>>at least deprecated and only
>>> the ³Terminals² view provided from the TCF project is maintained and
>>>where new features requested by the users are added. We have to get the
>>>2 other Terminal views out of Eclipse to stop the user confusion. The
>>>plan for doing this is
>>> outlined below, but this work does have some effect on EPP packages. I
>>>can do everything outlined below, but I don¹t know how to get the EPP
>>>packages updated to include the correct features.
>>> The cleanup of the multiple Terminal views should happen for the Mars
>>>release.
>>> Regarding the committer meetings, at least for me time is limited and
>>>discussing things here instead of a shared conference call is easier to
>>>manage.
>>> Thanks, Best regards, UweJ
>>> *From:*tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>><mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]*O
>>>n Behalf Of*Greg Watson
>>> *Sent:*Mittwoch, 12. November 2014 23:01
>>> *To:*TM project developer discussions
>>> *Subject:*Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM 3.7?
>>> Hi Uwe,
>>> I¹m not sure of the plans at this point. I¹ve asked this list about
>>>the 3.6 version a couple of times but received no reply. I¹ve also
>>>invited everyone to the PTP developers conference call to discuss
>>>plans, but no one from TM ever
>>> attended. At this point, I¹m assuming that the current release is the
>>>final release for TM.
>>> I¹m not a developer on the project, so I don¹t know what anyone¹s
>>>plans are unless they let me know. Also, developer¹s will need to step
>>>up and update the project plan, documentation, and anything else that
>>>needs to be done. I can fix the
>>> outline of the plan, but someone else will need to fill in the
>>>details. Finally, we need people to test the builds before they are
>>>released, or we can¹t say we¹re meeting Eclipse quality. This didn¹t
>>>seem to be happening for the SR1 release.
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg
>>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 5:43 AM, Stieber, Uwe <Uwe.Stieber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>><mailto:Uwe.Stieber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Greg,
>>> Can you confirm that I¹m right in assuming that the master branch is
>>>leading to the TM 3.7 release? When will it be released? I¹ve checked
>>>the TM project pages undereclipse.org/tm <http://eclipse.org/tm>, but
>>>this pages are not up to date.
>>> If master is leading to the 3.7 release, I would like to change at
>>>least the TM Terminal feature version numbers accordingly. Also I want
>>>to tackle a few Terminal related releasing issues we keep pushing ahead
>>>of us for a long time now.
>>> Not sure if you need to announce them in some project lead meeting.
>>> 1.Deprecation of unused or no longer supported features
>>> a.Take out the o.e.tm.terminal.view and the o.e.tm.terminal.local from
>>>the build and repositories
>>> b.Move the source of this features to terminal/deprecated folder to
>>>keep the source around for reference
>>> c.Remove the o.e.tm.terminal.core.sdk feature as without the
>>>terminal.view feature, the usual SDK feature is the same as the
>>>core.sdk feature
>>> 2.Work on replacement for org.eclipse.rse.terminal feature
>>> a.Remove this feature from the org.eclipse.rse feature
>>> b.Create an replacement providing the same entry points from the RSE
>>>System Explorer as the org.eclipse.rse.terminal plug-in does but use
>>>the newer and maintained TCF Terminals view. The new RSE terminal
>>>feature will be provided by the
>>> TCF project like the TCF based file system and process RSE
>>>contributions.
>>> All effort is related to address the many complains about having up to
>>>3 different terminals views available in Eclipse. Final goal is to
>>>bundle all terminal related effort, bugfixing and feature development,
>>>into the superior TCF
>>> Terminals view.
>>> Best regards, UweJ
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