Re: [technology-pmc] Koneki 1.2.0 Release Review

[Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx>]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Bernard" <sbernard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Technology PMC" <technology-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:06:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [technology-pmc] Koneki 1.2.0 Release Review
> 
> Removing dependency to DLTK is something we often talked about.
> DLTK help us to start quickly, but now it seems to slow us down.
> 
> When we face a problem with DLTK (bug, improvement, lack of flexibility), we
> currently:
> - investigate the problem,
> - report the bug,
> - implement a workarround,
> - try to provide a patch.
> 
> This is really costly, most of the time for not so much. Sometimes a
> workaround is not possible and some other times we need to duplicate a lot
> of classes.
> 
> The project is still alive but not really active. Only small patches are
> integrated. We understand that DLTK team has no more time/ressource to
> continue as much as they want[1]. We know about this kind of problem.
> 
> But for us maybe this would be better to fork DLTK internaly, this could
> allow us to be more reactive and sometimes to simplify the code (By removing
> generic part of code). It's just an idea, we continue to talk about that.
> But we are not the first, vjet project has been forking dltk for a while.[2]
> 
> The ideal would be to have an Eclipse project to communalize efforts for IDE
> or Language Tooling in Eclipse. Not a framework like DLTK, but a set of
> bricks, something more like Platform Text or Platform Debug. I don't know if
> this kind of project is still relevant?

There is still talk on Tools PMC to form an IDE project exactly for this purpose. An actual proposal is supposed to be in the works now (summer is coming so it might not happen ASAP).
Isn't DLTK team willing to grow some of you as committer to ease your collaboration?

Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team

> 
> [1] https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dltk-dev/msg02305.html
> [2] http://git.eclipse.org/c/vjet/org.eclipse.vjet.all.git/tree/
> 
> Le 21/05/2014 18:18, Wayne Beaton a écrit :
> 
> 
> Agreed. Which is why I need to hear more.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 05/21/2014 11:22 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> 
> From: "Wayne Beaton" <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: technology-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent:
> Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:19:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [technology-pmc] Koneki 1.2.0 Release Review
> 
> I'd like to take it a little further than that, Chris...
> 
> Please add more commentary regarding the DLTK dependency and why you're
> thinking about forking.
> Wouldn't it be better for everyone if the work spend on internal fork is
> spend on dltk itself?
> Are patches not accepted or there is some other problem?
> 
> Alexander Kurtakov
> Red Hat Eclipse team
> 
> 
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 05/21/2014 10:14 AM, Chris Aniszczyk wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> +1
> 
> Any more comments on "We think about removing the DLTK dependency, maybe we
> can start with an internal fork."
> 
> The commit activity does look sparse but they do releases here and there:
> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.dltk/documentation On Wed,
> May 21, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Simon Bernard < sbernard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> 
> wrote:
> Hi,
> We need the PCM approval for our next release.
> The release review is planned for Wednesday May 28th.
> Sorry for the delay, but the EMO say that the approval is needed
> today. (Next time we will planned that earlier, sorry again)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Simon https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=435319
> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.koneki/releases/1.2.0
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> Chris Aniszczyk http://aniszczyk.org +1 512 961 6719
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