Re: [technology-pmc] Newsreader

[Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>]

It was to this list. I mailed it you your eclipse-mail address.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Eric Rizzo<eclipse-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Wim Jongman wrote:
>>
>> haha I was pressing F5 a lot the last few days. There was a rather
>> extensive mail from Scott Lewis and I did reply on your mail. Didn't
>> you catch that?
>
> I saw your reply that pointed me to the wiki page you created, that's all. I
> did not see anything from Scott Lewis on this subject; was it sent to the
> ecf-dev list? What date?
>
> Eric
>
>
>> In the mean time, I also saw something on Denis' screen:
>>
>> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/eclipsewebmaster/2009/05/29/hey-denis-what-is-that-on-your-screen/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Eric Rizzo<eclipse-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I must say that I'm disappointed by the lack of any response to this
>>> thread
>>> from either the ECF folks or the rest of my Technology PMC compadres.
>>> Is it just that everyone is busy with Galileo? Or is there really no
>>> interest in embedding a newsgroup client into Eclipse?
>>>
>>> Does ECF have nothing to say about the possibility of this falling under
>>> their umbrella?
>>>
>>> Does nobody think a general "Community Outreach" project with real
>>> technology deliverables (like a news reader) is worthwhile?
>>>
>>> I was hoping this would spark some discussion...
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wim Jongman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Technology PMC,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have created an Eclipse based newsreader and I would like that to be
>>>>> part of Eclipse. Do you think a newsreader would fit in the Technology
>>>>> project?
>>>>>
>>>>> I was first directed to the Tools project but Tools thought it should
>>>>> either be Technolgy or EFC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a link to a small movie and a screenshot of the software.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/xJVwt3lgMPD
>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/iJHIVdpZv
>>>>>
>>>>> The discussion on the Tools list can be found here:
>>>>> http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/tools-pmc/
>>>>
>>>> Cool! It looks to be a somewhat complete NNTP client, but does it
>>>> include message composition or is it only reading/browsing? How about
>>>> searching? In other words, what parts are complete and what parts still
>>>> need to be implemented?
>>>>
>>>> My idea for a broader project are centered around the questions of "how
>>>> can we better engage the user community?" I know at least Wayne and I
>>>> have been thinking about that for a while, and I think that there are
>>>> several related things that we could provide in the Eclipse workbench
>>>> that would reach out to the users and pull them in as contributors. In
>>>> no particular order, my ideas so far are:
>>>> * Newsgroup client
>>>> * IRC client (I think ECF already has this?)
>>>> * More obvious "Enter a bug or feature request" (Mylyn contributes a
>>>> menu option currently, but I don't think many people know about it and I
>>>> don't know how simple it is to use)
>>>> * Embedded browsing of the Resources content from www.eclipse.org
>>>> * Embedded search of www.eclipse.org
>>>>
>>>> I think that the newsgroup client is, by far, the best of these ideas,
>>>> and I'm thrilled that there is Wim's project to use as a starting point.
>>>> But I also am pretty confident that unless it is shipped in the base
>>>> platform (or at least the EPP packages), it won't get wnough traction
>>>> and visibility to reach all of those users who don't participate now.
>>>>
>>>> What do the other PMC members think about this broader vision for a
>>>> "community involvement" tech project? Any ideas for other things that
>>>> would fit into such a project? Does the idea have legs, or would we
>>>> better off running with just the news client?
>>>>
>>>> Wim, is the source for your newsreader available somewhere?
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
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