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RE: [technology-pmc] FW: BPEL Progress?
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My observation is that this project still needs some TLC (tender loving
care). It's a first FOSS project for both this team from IBM and the team
from Oracle.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: technology-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:technology-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne Beaton
> Sent: June 22, 2006 3:25 PM
> To: 'Technology PMC'
> Subject: [technology-pmc] FW: BPEL Progress?
>
> FYI,
>
> Wayne
> --
> Wayne Beaton
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EDWIN KHODABAKCHIAN [mailto:EDWIN.KHODABAKCHIAN@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: June 22, 2006 1:34 PM
> > To: Greg Adams
> > Cc: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; Wayne Beaton; James Moody; Michal
> > Chmielewski
> > Subject: Re: BPEL Progress?
> >
> > Greg,
> > I will circle back with Michal who drives the project on
> our side and
> > get back to you on both the validation front and updated timelines.
> > -Edwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From Greg Adams <Greg_Adams@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent Thu 6/22/2006 10:15 AM
> > To Edwin Khodabakchian <edwin.khodabakchian@xxxxxxxxxx> Cc
> > mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; Wayne Beaton
> <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>; James
> > Moody <James_Moody@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject Re: BPEL Progress?
> >
> > Hi Edwin,
> >
> > I just got back and am catching up & syncing up with the team here.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the update on the progress and staffing. That's
> great news
> > that Edward is up and running and that you have Horst
> coming on board
> > soon.
> >
> > Regarding validation, James had mentioned to Michal in the
> past that
> > we were investigating whether or not we could contribute IBM's
> > validation code to the project.
> > Unfortunately we will not be able to contribute this code at the
> > present time. I see that Oracle owns the validation item in the
> > milestone plan - I assume this will still be a feasible
> item for you
> > and is something we should push on soon.
> >
> > In general, it seems that at the present time, our
> milestone plan is
> > problematic - a number of milestone dates have passed but we still
> > have open items that haven't been completed.
> > With the new resources that are on board, do you have an outlook on
> > when we can achieve some of these? For example, I'm looking at the
> > following items:
> >
> > M0: December 15
> >
> > - Storyboarding of LoanFlow. Michal had mentioned this was
> something
> > you wanted to be involved in, and is crucial for ensuring that our
> > tools handle a real-world use case.
> > - Start Runtime/Debugger API design: It seems that we have
> some other
> > (non-IBM and non-Oracle) folks who are interested in this space. I
> > assume that since Oracle owns this item you'll be tracking their
> > progress to ensure we can meet the deliverables?
> >
> > M1: January 31
> >
> > - Design of Validation Framework - See my comment above
> regarding the
> > validator.
> > - Define line of validation errors/warnings with strings - Also see
> > above.
> > - Contribute Samples - Last I heard from Michal, these were being
> > cleaned up. Have they been contributed yet?
> >
> > M2: March 7
> >
> > - Implement default, simple set of UI extensions (prompters, XPath
> > editor,
> > etc) - As far as I know, no code has been committed by
> Oracle for this
> > yet
> > - specifically for the prompters, this means we can't author a bpel
> > process from scratch.
> >
> > M3: May 15
> >
> > - Full-featured refined set of UI extensions (prompters,
> XPath editor,
> > etc)
> > - It sounds like this is a refinement of the previous item.
> > - Validation - This looked like the point we hoped to have a
> > functional validator.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As all of the above dates have passed, it seems like we
> will need to
> > do a reset of the milestone plan - it smells to me like an
> October 1.0
> > release is in jeopardy. But before we do, we need to ensure that we
> > believe we can hit the new dates with the resources we have
> in place.
> > What are your thoughts about a revised set of dates that would be
> > attainable? In particular I believe we need to have the
> m1,m2 content
> > in place with your help so that we can declare some
> victory, and then
> > sort out how best to jointly move ahead on the other milestones
> > together and with the rest of the community and any new
> participants
> > like sybase.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Edwin
> >
> > Khodabakchian
> >
> > <edwin.khodabakch
> > To
> > ian@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > cc
> > 05/08/2006 07:19 Greg
> > Adams/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
> > PM
> > Subject
> > Re: BPEL Progress?
> >
> >
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> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > Michal who is the lead of the project on our side has been
> back from
> > his surgery and actively involved in the project.
> > He has now access to additional resources to help accelerate the
> > implementation. My understanding is that the communication
> between the
> > teams is live and they are making progress.
> >
> > Greg,
> > Do you have a similar feedback on your side?
> >
> > -Edwin
> > 1 650 504 8118 (cell)
> >
> >
> > On May 8, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Mike Milinkovich wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Greg, Edwin,
> > >
> > > Just checking back in to see if there has been any progress
> > on getting
> > > additional Oracle resources on the BPEL project? It's been
> > about six
> > > weeks since we talked last, as I recall.
> > >
> > > Mike Milinkovich
> > > Executive Director,
> > > Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
> > > Office: 613-224-9461 x228
> > > Cell: 613-220-3223
> > > mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > blog: http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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