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RE: [stp-dev] Java First Programming Model Refactor
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:stp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Huang,
>> Qiong Feng (Jonathan)
>> Sent: 27 September 2007 07:17
>> To: STP Dev list
>> Subject: RE: [stp-dev] Java First Programming Model Refactor
>>
>> Hi Mark and Oisin,
>> It seems that you have made a agreement on a new model
>> for java2wsdl/wsdl2java tools or something like this. :)
>> But I am not very clear about this model. :(
>> How does this model work for user? Do you mean using
>> this model to maintain the relationships between java and
>> wsdl? Or using this model to allow user to customize
>> java2wsdl/wsdl2java tools? Or using this model to manage
>> different java2wsdl/wsdl2java tools provided by different
>> runtime provider (e.g. CXF runtime and JAXWS-RI runtime)? Or
>> maybe all of the above?
>>
We agreed it would be a good idea, and warranted some further discussion/investigation.
The idea was having a template/emf based mechanism for translating WSDL2Java and back again. This would supercede existing WSDL tools (although new versions of vendor specific tools could be implemented using the same common framework). So it wouldn't necessarily be used to manage existing tools.
Having it template based, would further allow the end user to add domain/company specific information to the generated WSDL. The targetting of different runtimes could be managed by associating templates with specific facets.
As I stated, this is just an idea; but IMHO, having to manage multiple falvours of the same tool in a diverse manner is a real pain for any developer. Any feedback/thoughts from other interested parties is welcome.
HTH
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:stp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> Behalf Of Mark Walker
>> Sent: 2007Äê9ÔÂ26ÈÕ 17:27
>> To: STP Dev list
>> Subject: RE: [stp-dev] Java First Programming Model Refactor
>>
>>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: stp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:stp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Oisin Hurley
>> >> Sent: 26 September 2007 10:18
>> >> To: STP Dev list
>> >> Subject: Re: [stp-dev] Java First Programming Model Refactor
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 26 Sep 2007, at 10:12, Mark Walker wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I agree, that is the current major drawback: existing tools.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, the ideal of allowing developers using the tool
>> >> to customize
>> >> > the tool to suit their domain/application needs is a major
>> >> win - and
>> >> > would increase the chances of adoption of that tool.
>> >>
>> >> I think so - as our glorious leader, Mike Milinkovich :),
>> constantly
>> >> stresses in his presentation, there is a lot of code in
>> any software
>> >> company that does not give a competitive advantage. To be more
>> >> competitive, organizations should just use open source
>> for this code,
>> >> and concentrate on maintaining stuff that moves them on in the
>> >> marketplace.
>> >> I think that such multifarious WSDL tool framework falls into the
>> >> category of 'not competitive'.
>> >>
>> >> > Depending on how much "buy in" we could get from the general WS
>> >> > community (notwithstanding the concerns of existing JEE/WS
>> >> vendors)
>> >> > the win/win would be that future versions of their
>> tools could be
>> >> > produced/maintained by the Open Source community.
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >> I wonder would the WTP guys be interested in this too?
>> >>
>> >> cheers
>> >> --oh
>>
>> I think that it would be advantageous the WTP guys on board,
>> perhaps we could forward this thread (this sub-section) to
>> them and see if they bite?
>>
Ciao,
Mark Walker,
Technical Architect (Tools),
Ubiquity Software (Avaya UK),
Cardiff
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