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RE: [stp-dev] Subproject issues
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I
believe that both cases can occur, thus project in technology or anywhere
can create extension for STP or
use
the assembly model, and plug-in providers can also do so. In addition, a project
can also propose to be tightly
aligned with STP and submit to STP to be a STP
subproject.
For
these subprojects we will REQUIRE that they integrate with the assembly model
and support the core infrastructure
in
defined ways. This is good for all involved. I know that other top level
projects have discussed having the ability
to
"incubate" subprojects. I know this is still under discussion in Eclipse,
however the STP PMC has already been asked
by
another sub-project to do this. This still needs to be discussed with the EMO,
and Bjorn to understand how this
will/could work and how eclipse wants to handle this.
In
terms of the text on the web page for the sub-projects. This is just filler text
to expedite the creation of our site
and
allow review by all on the dev list (thus all the under construction pages). I
expect that we will go through many
itterations in the next few days based on group feedback. Do you have any
suggesting to help clear it up a bit. Personally
I
think that the core one-liner on the project page is a bit loose
also.
To the
overlap question:
B2J
has overlap, from TPTP, but recognize that the work in this area should be done
on the STP side as they
"invented" aspects they needed before STP existed. My understanding is
once Scapa and those involved have refactored
onto
our assembly, TPTP will then refactor the duplication out. Thus yes, as it
stands there is overlap, but we should
see
less overlap as our project matures, and some of the refactor can
occur.
I know
of a BPEL project in technology from IBM/Oracle - We don't have overlap with
that project and I would love it if
they
would integrate with our assembly model/STP
There
are no extension for BPMN in Eclipse
Carl.
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel
Berg [mailto:danberg@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:40
AM
To: STP Dev list
Cc: STP Dev list; bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxx;
James Moody; stp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [stp-dev]
Subproject issues
I understand this
requirement but shouldn't STP define the extension points and mechanics around
these extension points and other content owning projects actually contribute
extensions to STP through their projects? For example the new BPEL
project should/would have extensions to STP to integrate their tooling into
STP.
If this is not the case then
how do we see new content types integrating into STP? I would hope that
we wouldn't define a new subproject each time there is a new implementation
type.
As it stands I think these
two subprojects are misplaced because it seems that they have significant
overlap with other projects within Eclipse. Would you agree?
Regards,
Dan
"Trieloff, Carl"
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01/24/2006 11:02 AM
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Both B2J and BPMN where part of the proposal and board approval
process. They are
key a key sample in STP to
- Make sure we have the frameworks in place to
have STP extensible enough to
support other languages (C++, COBOL, BPEL... and hopefully one
day PHP :-)
- Make
sure that "technical participants" that integrate with the assembly
model
and then bind
to the Assembly model language binding like B2J will do with Java.
This
means that
these services created with eclipse with be able to deploy onto any
container supported by the
assembly model and SCA
Technically, we core was not on original list,
but we all agreed that we
want a "core" assembly for all subprojects in the
f2f.
In the IRC and last two weeks call we decided to seed the website
and then the dev list
can come back with edits to update the site. I will
also create pages for about, development
resource, community and
contributors and committers, which then can be reviewed by all and
updated.
I am hoping to bring one or two of these sections up this week.
I will
NOT create any content for the subprojects, that needs to be extensively
discussed on the
IRC and dev list.
Hope than
helps.
Carl.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Daume
[mailto:Stefan.Daume@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:13
AM
To: STP Dev list
Cc: bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxx; James Moody
Subject: Re:
[stp-dev] Subproject issues
The STP project including the
subprojects was presented as is to the
Eclipse board. The STP project was
accepted on the basis of this
structure acknowledging that those were in
scope. I am sure that Carl
can add to this if necessary.
Stefan
Daniel Berg wrote:
>
> I was
looking at the defined sub projects and two of them stood out:
>
STP BPEL 2 Java (B2J) and STP BPMN (BPMN). The problem I have with
> these subprojects is that they start overlapping with implementation
> content contributions from other projects within Eclipse. For
> example, these seem to be obvious overlaps with the BPEL project
> within Eclipse.
>
> Why are we defining content
subprojects which clearly belongs in other
> projects within
Eclipse?
>
> STP is a platform for component implementation
assembly and
> deployment. It is not in the business of editing
or creating the
> specific component implementations. This is
best left to the
> implementation providers from other projects within
Eclipse.
>
> I suggest that these subprojects be removed from STP
and their
> contributions added to the proper Eclipse
subprojects.
>
> Regards,
>
Dan
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