RE: [stp-dev] Subproject issues

["Trieloff, Carl" <CTRIELOFF@xxxxxxxx>]

 

I believe that both cases can occur, thus project in technology or anywhere can create extension for STP or

use the assembly model, and plug-in providers can also do so. In addition, a project can also propose to be tightly

aligned with STP and submit to STP to be a STP subproject.

 

For these subprojects we will REQUIRE that they integrate with the assembly model and support the core infrastructure

in defined ways. This is good for all involved. I know that other top level projects have discussed having the ability

to "incubate" subprojects. I know this is still under discussion in Eclipse, however the STP PMC has already been asked

by another sub-project to do this. This still needs to be discussed with the EMO, and Bjorn to understand how this

will/could work and how eclipse wants to handle this.

 

 

In terms of the text on the web page for the sub-projects. This is just filler text to expedite the creation of our site

and allow review by all on the dev list (thus all the under construction pages). I expect that we will go through many

itterations in the next few days based on group feedback. Do you have any suggesting to help clear it up a bit. Personally

I think that the core one-liner on the project page is a bit loose also.

 

To the overlap question:

 

B2J has overlap, from TPTP, but recognize that the work in this area should be done on the STP side as they

"invented" aspects they needed before STP existed. My understanding is once Scapa and those involved have refactored

onto our assembly, TPTP will then refactor the duplication out. Thus yes, as it stands there is overlap, but we should

see less overlap as our project matures, and some of the refactor can occur.

 

I know of a BPEL project in technology from IBM/Oracle - We don't have overlap with that project and I would love it if

they would integrate with our assembly model/STP

 

There are no extension for BPMN in Eclipse

 

Carl.

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Berg [mailto:danberg@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:40 AM
To: STP Dev list
Cc: STP Dev list; bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxx; James Moody; stp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [stp-dev] Subproject issues

I understand this requirement but shouldn't STP define the extension points and mechanics around these extension points and other content owning projects actually contribute extensions to STP through their projects?  For example the new BPEL project should/would have extensions to STP to integrate their tooling into STP.

If this is not the case then how do we see new content types integrating into STP?  I would hope that we wouldn't define a new subproject each time there is a new implementation type.

As it stands I think these two subprojects are misplaced because it seems that they have significant overlap with other projects within Eclipse.  Would you agree?

Regards,
Dan

"Trieloff, Carl" <CTRIELOFF@xxxxxxxx>
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01/24/2006 11:02 AM

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cc	bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxx, James Moody <James_Moody@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject	RE: [stp-dev] Subproject issues

Both B2J and BPMN where part of the proposal and board approval process. They are
key a key sample in STP to
                - Make sure we have the frameworks in place to have STP extensible enough to
                support other languages (C++, COBOL, BPEL... and hopefully one day PHP :-)
                - Make sure that "technical participants" that integrate with the assembly model
                and then bind to the Assembly model language binding like B2J will do with Java. This
                means that these services created with eclipse with be able to deploy onto any
                container supported by the assembly model and SCA

Technically, we core was not on original list, but we all agreed that we
want a "core" assembly for all subprojects in the f2f.

In the IRC and last two weeks call we decided to seed the website and then the dev list
can come back with edits to update the site. I will also create pages for about, development
resource, community and contributors and committers, which then can be reviewed by all and
updated. I am hoping to bring one or two of these sections up this week.

I will NOT create any content for the subprojects, that needs to be extensively discussed on the
IRC and dev list.

Hope than helps.
Carl.


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Daume [mailto:Stefan.Daume@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:13 AM
To: STP Dev list
Cc: bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxx; James Moody
Subject: Re: [stp-dev] Subproject issues


The STP project including the subprojects was presented as is to the
Eclipse board. The STP project was accepted on the basis of this
structure acknowledging that those were in scope. I am sure that Carl
can add to this if necessary.

    Stefan



Daniel Berg wrote:

>
> I was looking at the defined sub projects and two of them stood out:
>  STP BPEL 2 Java (B2J) and STP BPMN (BPMN).  The problem I have with
> these subprojects is that they start overlapping with implementation
> content contributions from other projects within Eclipse.  For
> example, these seem to be obvious overlaps with the BPEL project
> within Eclipse.  
>
> Why are we defining content subprojects which clearly belongs in other
> projects within Eclipse?
>
> STP is a platform for component implementation assembly and
> deployment.  It is not in the business of editing or creating the
> specific component implementations.  This is best left to the
> implementation providers from other projects within Eclipse.
>
> I suggest that these subprojects be removed from STP and their
> contributions added to the proper Eclipse subprojects.
>
> Regards,
> Dan
>
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