stp-dev http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/maillist.html stp-dev en-us Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:50:13 GMT Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:50:13 GMT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss MHonArc RSS 2.0 RCFile webmaster@eclipse.org (Webmaster) webmaster@eclipse.org (Webmaster) stp-dev http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse.org-common/themes/Phoenix/images/eclipse_home_header.jpg http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/maillist.html Re: [stp-dev] Helios M3+3 due 11 Nov 09 http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02742.html Ready for SCA Tools. Cheers, Stephane Drapeau Obeo Oisin Hurley a écrit : Ready for SCA Tools.
Cheers,

Stephane Drapeau
Obeo

Oisin Hurley a écrit : 
The first of the reminders :)

Please note that M3+3 is due out 11 Nov 09, in a little over
a week. For this build, we will follow our usual procedure. Projects
should tag their source trees with the tag 3.6M3. Don't forget to
update any *minor* versions of plugins and features. If you have
added any features to your build, I'll need to know to update the
Helios contribution feature model, as well as the top-level build's
gathering feature.

For M2 we had an issue with signing, the plan is to have this
fixed for M3.

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=292646

As usual, let me know if there are any questions or concerns.

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]]> Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:48:06 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02742.html Stephane.Drapeau@xxxxxxx (Stephane Drapeau) Re: [stp-dev] Last chance for Feedback: SOA Tree Proposal http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02741.html Hi Oisin, Thanks a lot for the detailed comments, my replies inline: good point, it's basically business as usual, although I suppose the relation to runtime and deployment will be stronger and the relation to monitoring is basically new. I will emphasize ... Hi Oisin,
Thanks a lot for the detailed comments, my replies inline:

Take another look at the project scope - is there anything
missing there? It kinda reads as if it is to be business as
usual, but in the background section, you mention that
the scope is to be extended. This doesn't gel.

good point, it's basically business as usual, although I suppose the relation to runtime and deployment will be stronger and the relation to monitoring is basically new. I will emphasize this in the proposal.

However, on the other hand - "SOA Metamodel Framework"
is a terribly boring name, albeit totally descriptive.


sounds good! Or Maybe "SOA Modelling Framework" instead?

These days things like 'subtitles' are popular for books
(see appalling example at http://tr.im/EddI), because
this is a means to cram in internet search keywords. I
think it sucks for books but it makes sense here.

How about something like "Arbutus - The SOA Metamodel
Framework" or something like that (for Arbutus, just insert
<treename>).


yes, this sort of thing sounds really good now.

I promise that's the last of my comments on naming :)

actually, naming is pretty important, so I'm happy to have all these discussions and suggestions about naming, and I'm hoping the playful little contest will yield good results (it's already very promising :) ).

In the "Roots" section, where it says "common format
that could be based on SCA for instance", I would drop
the "that could be based..." part as it prejudices the
discussion.


sounds good. done.

Double-check your committers list, ensure that all are
good to spend time on the work (of course).
That's it - the sooner we can get this publicised the better.


great, thanks a lot for your suggestions Oisin!

cheers,
Adrian.

]]> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:36 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02741.html adrian.mos@xxxxxxx (Adrian Mos) Re: [stp-dev] AW: THE CONTEST IS ON: Better name for SOA Tree! http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02740.html Thanks Florian, this sounds great, goes right in the contest pool! :)
cheers,
Adrian.

On Nov 5, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Florian Lautenbacher wrote:

Hi Adrian,

I like the name contest. I just looked up and the Tule tree (or El Arbol del
Tule) is the biggest tree in the world (and sometimes nicknamed the "Tree of
Life" :-)). So maybe Tule might be a nice word for the STP-IM project? Then
it would be the "metamodel of life" for the new SOA TLP...

On the other side, if you like the Kartoffelsalat that much, maybe we could
name the project with a German word, how about Apfelbaum? :-) (just kidding)

Best regards,

Florian


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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:19:42 +0100
From: Adrian Mos <adrian.mos@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [stp-dev] THE CONTEST IS ON: Better name for SOA Tree!
To: STP Dev list <stp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <7B056570-B153-4770-990B-26242A2ADB85@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Hi all,

I'm very happy to see so much interest for the name of the upcoming
proposal (formerly known as STP-IM) and I think it's always good to
get the community feedback into account! So I'd like to ask everybody
interested to send me a name suggestion following the "tree" metaphor,
so either a tree name or a tree type or something related to it, and
then I'll organize a Doodle so everybody can vote.

By the way, I think Oisin's "SOA Metamodel Framework" (or a variation
of this) is great and will stay anyway, so right now I'm just looking
for the cute code name, to go with the complete name, so it will be
something like: "$COOL_NAME - The SOA Metamodel Framework".

The person who suggested the name that obtained the most votes will
get a little present, courtesy of INRIA. Two runner-ups might also get
something as well...

Please send all your suggestions by Sunday if possible, and I'll
organize the voting next week.

So far we have for $COOL_NAME:

Oisin with Arbutus
Marc with Mangrove

Don't be shy, send in the proposals! One person can send more
proposals, so unleash your creativity!

thanks,
Adrian.



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]]> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:37:28 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02740.html adrian.mos@xxxxxxx (Adrian Mos) Re: [stp-dev] Last chance for Feedback: SOA Tree Proposal http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02739.html That was just an example rather than a proposal! I just mentioned it because it is a cool tree [1], although I hear it is susceptible to honey fungus. :) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_tree _______________________________________________ stp-d... Great, thanks Marc, it's been added to the contest! :)
cheers,
Adrian.

On Nov 5, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Marc Dutoo wrote:

Hi

Nice ideas on the whole Oisin.

An arbutus is a beautiful tree, but maybe there is still a better name.

What about Mangrove ? Those trees have a lot of roots and intermingled trunks. Moreover, they provide an ecosystem to all kinds of fauna and flora. And I think the name sounds nice. What do you think ?

Regards,
Marc

Oisin Hurley a écrit : 
+1 for Arbutus as  project name


That was just an example rather than a proposal! I just
mentioned it because it is a cool tree [1], although I
hear it is susceptible to honey fungus.

 :)

[1]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_tree
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]]> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:34:44 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02739.html adrian.mos@xxxxxxx (Adrian Mos) [stp-dev] AW: THE CONTEST IS ON: Better name for SOA Tree! http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02738.html Hi Adrian, I like the name contest. I just looked up and the Tule tree (or El Arbol del Tule) is the biggest tree in the world (and sometimes nicknamed the &quot;Tree of Life&quot; :-)). So maybe Tule might be a nice word for the STP-IM project? Then it would be the... Hi Adrian, I like the name contest. I just looked up and the Tule tree (or El Arbol del Tule) is the biggest tree in the world (and sometimes nicknamed the "Tree of Life" :-)). So maybe Tule might be a nice word for the STP-IM project? Then it would be the "metamodel of life" for the new SOA TLP... On the other side, if you like the Kartoffelsalat that much, maybe we could name the project with a German word, how about Apfelbaum? :-) (just kidding) Best regards, Florian --- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:19:42 +0100 From: Adrian Mos <adrian.mos@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [stp-dev] THE CONTEST IS ON: Better name for SOA Tree! To: STP Dev list <stp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <7B056570-B153-4770-990B-26242A2ADB85@xxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi all, I'm very happy to see so much interest for the name of the upcoming proposal (formerly known as STP-IM) and I think it's always good to get the community feedback into account! So I'd like to ask everybody interested to send me a name suggestion following the "tree" metaphor, so either a tree name or a tree type or something related to it, and then I'll organize a Doodle so everybody can vote. By the way, I think Oisin's "SOA Metamodel Framework" (or a variation of this) is great and will stay anyway, so right now I'm just looking for the cute code name, to go with the complete name, so it will be something like: "$COOL_NAME - The SOA Metamodel Framework". The person who suggested the name that obtained the most votes will get a little present, courtesy of INRIA. Two runner-ups might also get something as well... Please send all your suggestions by Sunday if possible, and I'll organize the voting next week. So far we have for $COOL_NAME: Oisin with Arbutus Marc with Mangrove Don't be shy, send in the proposals! One person can send more proposals, so unleash your creativity! thanks, Adrian. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ stp-dev mailing list stp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/stp-dev End of stp-dev Digest, Vol 47, Issue 5 ************************************** ]]> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:12:40 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02738.html florian.lautenbacher@xxxxxxx (Florian Lautenbacher) [stp-dev] THE CONTEST IS ON: Better name for SOA Tree! http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02737.html Hi all, I'm very happy to see so much interest for the name of the upcoming proposal (formerly known as STP-IM) and I think it's always good to get the community feedback into account! So I'd like to ask everybody interested to send me a name suggestion fo... Hi all,
I'm very happy to see so much interest for the name of the upcoming proposal (formerly known as STP-IM) and I think it's always good to get the community feedback into account! So I'd like to ask everybody interested to send me a name suggestion following the "tree" metaphor, so either a tree name or a tree type or something related to it, and then I'll organize a Doodle so everybody can vote.

By the way, I think Oisin's "SOA Metamodel Framework" (or a variation of this) is great and will stay anyway, so right now I'm just looking for the cute code name, to go with the complete name, so it will be something like: "$COOL_NAME - The SOA Metamodel Framework".

The person who suggested the name that obtained the most votes will get a little present, courtesy of INRIA. Two runner-ups might also get something as well...

Please send all your suggestions by Sunday if possible, and I'll organize the voting next week.

So far we have for $COOL_NAME:

Oisin with Arbutus
Marc with Mangrove

Don't be shy, send in the proposals! One person can send more proposals, so unleash your creativity!

thanks,
Adrian.


]]> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:19:45 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02737.html adrian.mos@xxxxxxx (Adrian Mos) Re: [stp-dev] Last chance for Feedback: SOA Tree Proposal http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02736.html Hi Oisin,
Thanks a lot for the HTML thing, will use this as a basis for the upcoming changes. Judging by the overwhelming participation on the name issue (which is great!), I think we can scrap SOA Tree for now as a name and get some more suggestions before deciding on a name. I will follow up with an email on the naming thing!

Oh yeah, I didn't even know the font I was using was called Fraktur (it was used by default by Office for Mac 2008), but now that I realize it sounds like Kartoffelsalat, I'll stick to it forever! :)

cheers,
Adrian.

On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Oisin Hurley wrote:

Thanks for the doc, Adrian. For some reason when I look at
the Fraktur fonts you've used, I automatically think of
Kartoffelsalat :)

In preparation for submission to the EMO, I've turned the doc
into an HTML form for the website (attached). There are a
few links and bits that need to be updated.

I'll be back with more comments later - I just wanted to put
this format out there before you made changes!

cheers
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]]> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:02:14 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02736.html adrian.mos@xxxxxxx (Adrian Mos) Re: [stp-dev] Last chance for Feedback: SOA Tree Proposal http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02735.html I agree on the alternative name to SOA tree. I dont have a proposal yet, but Mangrove sounds quite well (a lot more respect to Arbutus). The name contest is open ? Gianfranco Marc Dutoo ha scritto: That was just an example rather than a proposal! I just me... I agree on the alternative name to SOA tree.
I dont have a proposal yet, but Mangrove sounds quite well (a lot more respect to Arbutus).
The name contest is open ?

Gianfranco

Marc Dutoo ha scritto: 
Hi

Nice ideas on the whole Oisin.

An arbutus is a beautiful tree, but maybe there is still a better name.

What about Mangrove ? Those trees have a lot of roots and intermingled trunks. Moreover, they provide an ecosystem to all kinds of fauna and flora. And I think the name sounds nice. What do you think ?

Regards,
Marc

Oisin Hurley a écrit :
+1 for Arbutus as project name

That was just an example rather than a proposal! I just
mentioned it because it is a cool tree [1], although I
hear it is susceptible to honey fungus.

  :)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_tree
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]]> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:33:55 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02735.html gianfranco.boccalon@xxxxxxx (Gianfranco Boccalon) Re: [stp-dev] Last chance for Feedback: SOA Tree Proposal http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02734.html Hi Nice ideas on the whole Oisin. An arbutus is a beautiful tree, but maybe there is still a better name. What about Mangrove ? Those trees have a lot of roots and intermingled trunks. Moreover, they provide an ecosystem to all kinds of fauna and flora. An... Hi
Nice ideas on the whole Oisin.

An arbutus is a beautiful tree, but maybe there is still a better name.

What about Mangrove ? Those trees have a lot of roots and intermingled trunks. Moreover, they provide an ecosystem to all kinds of fauna and flora. And I think the name sounds nice. What do you think ?

Regards,
Marc

Oisin Hurley a écrit :
+1 for Arbutus as project name

That was just an example rather than a proposal! I just
mentioned it because it is a cool tree [1], although I
hear it is susceptible to honey fungus.

  :)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_tree
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]]> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:21:19 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02734.html marc.dutoo@xxxxxxx (Marc Dutoo) Re: [stp-dev] Last chance for Feedback: SOA Tree Proposal http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02733.html That was just an example rather than a proposal! I just mentioned it because it is a cool tree [1], although I hear it is susceptible to honey fungus. :) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_tree > +1 for Arbutus as  project name That was just an example rather than a proposal! I just mentioned it because it is a cool tree [1], although I hear it is susceptible to honey fungus. :) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_tree ]]> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:18:07 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/stp-dev/msg02733.html oisin.hurley@xxxxxxx (Oisin Hurley)