soa-dev http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/maillist.html soa-dev en-us Sat, 05 May 2012 04:10:46 GMT Sat, 05 May 2012 04:10:46 GMT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss MHonArc RSS 2.0 RCFile webmaster@eclipse.org (Webmaster) webmaster@eclipse.org (Webmaster) soa-dev http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse.org-common/themes/Phoenix/images/eclipse_home_header.jpg http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/maillist.html [soa-dev] Project meta data is out of date for soa.sca http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00077.html =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane=2C?= Projects are required to keep meta data up to date using the MyFoundation Portal (http://portal.eclipse.org/). The following problems were found with this project's meta-data: * The date for release "2.2.2" is in the past, but ... =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane=2C?= Projects are required to keep meta data up to date using the MyFoundation Portal (http://portal.eclipse.org/). The following problems were found with this project's meta-data: * The date for release "2.2.2" is in the past, but the release is not marked as completed. If it is completed, it should be marked as completed; if it has been postponed, it should be given a new target date. ]]> Sat, 05 May 2012 04:00:21 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00077.html emo@xxxxxxx (portal on behalf of emo) [soa-dev] Project meta data is out of date for soa.sca http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00076.html =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane=2C?= Projects are required to keep meta data up to date using the MyFoundation Portal (http://portal.eclipse.org/). The following problems were found with this project's meta-data: * The date for release "2.2.2" is in the past, but ... =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane=2C?= Projects are required to keep meta data up to date using the MyFoundation Portal (http://portal.eclipse.org/). The following problems were found with this project's meta-data: * The date for release "2.2.2" is in the past, but the release is not marked as completed. If it is completed, it should be marked as completed; if it has been postponed, it should be given a new target date. ]]> Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:00:25 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00076.html emo@xxxxxxx (portal on behalf of emo) Re: [soa-dev] Fwd: [cross-project-issues-dev] Juno M6 is not far away ... are you still greedy? http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00075.html no complaints here :) no complaints here :)

Hi,

Regarding the projects SCA Tools and BPEL Designer, we should move to a more recent version of Tycho (0.13.0).
If no one complains about it, I should have done it by the end of the week.

Regards,

                Vincent.



-------- Message original --------
Sujet: [cross-project-issues-dev] Juno M6 is not far away ... are you still greedy?
Date : Mon, 5 Mar 2012 22:39:46 -0500
De : David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx>
RÃpondre à: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Pour : cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx 


I've added a new report to the common repository reports [1].

It is called "Optional Runtime Requirements and Greediness" [2]

I doubt it is too useful at the moment, except to reflect the magnitude of
the problem ... that many projects still have to move up to a more recent
publisher. Ideally, by M6 or M7, the first 2 or 3 lists in that report will
all be "0" (indicating we all are using the new p2 publisher) but they are
currently in the hundreds. The reports do not currently track back to "who
is responsible" for using the old publisher, but I might add that when the
list gets smaller. As it is, the reporting code is simply looking at only
the "<required" elements to get the listings, and not keep track of which
IU required it.

As I mentioned in another note on this topic[3], the p2 publisher as of
Juno M1 began to publish "greedy=false" for those requirements which are
optional at runtime. The previous, implied default was "greedy=true".  This
better meets users and adopters expectations.

According to Thomas Hallgren[1], the Buckminster builder will use the new
publisher "by M6" so, not sure if that will be in time for you
Buckminster-builders to take advantage of for your own M6 contribution to
Juno M6, but you might keep a close eye on it, and plan on changing shortly
after M6 if not before.

According to Igor Fedorenko [5] Tycho uses 3.8-based publisher and
generates non-greedy optional dependencies since version 0.13. So, I hope
everyone who uses Tycho has or can soon move up to that version (or, what
ever is their latest recommended version).

So, if you haven't yet, please do try and move up to a Juno based p2
publisher as soon as possible so we can do more testing on what we will
release and find problems or surprises early. I suspect some of the
anomalies in the report (such as com.ibm.icu sometimes required greedily
and sometime not) is a side effect of people using "old" Orbit builds for
their deliverables.? Orbit is planning to provide a Juno M6 usable S-build
this Friday 3/9, so everyone should be able to move up to latest Orbit S
build next week.

While the reports may not be too useful to your individual project at the
moment (since, it is just a big list, without saying who's to "blame") you
might find it interesting. I thought it would make a good excuse to give a
timely reminder to upgrade your p2 publisher.

Remember, M6+0 is 03/16 and M6 complete and available on Friday, 03/23 [6]
which is significant because that is immediately before EclipseCon! It is a
challenge every year to make sure we get it done before people have to
start traveling!

Much thanks,


[1] http://build.eclipse.org/juno/simrel/
[2]
http://build.eclipse.org/juno/simrel/reporeports/reports/greedyReport.html
[3]
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg07098.html
[4] http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/buckminster-dev/msg01320.html
[5]
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg07100.html
[6] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Juno/Simultaneous_Release_Plan


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]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 21:22:45 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00075.html bbrodt@xxxxxxx (Bob Brodt) [soa-dev] Fwd: [cross-project-issues-dev] Juno M6 is not far away ... are you still greedy? http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00074.html Hi, Regarding the projects SCA Tools and BPEL Designer, we should move to a more recent version of Tycho (0.13.0). If no one complains about it, I should have done it by the end of the week. Regards, nbsp; Vincent. -------- Message original ... Hi,

Regarding the projects SCA Tools and BPEL Designer, we should move to a more recent version of Tycho (0.13.0).
If no one complains about it, I should have done it by the end of the week.

Regards,

                Vincent.



-------- Message original --------
Sujet: [cross-project-issues-dev] Juno M6 is not far away ... are you still greedy?
Date : Mon, 5 Mar 2012 22:39:46 -0500
De : David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx>
Répondre à : Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Pour : cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx 


I've added a new report to the common repository reports [1].

It is called "Optional Runtime Requirements and Greediness" [2]

I doubt it is too useful at the moment, except to reflect the magnitude of
the problem ... that many projects still have to move up to a more recent
publisher. Ideally, by M6 or M7, the first 2 or 3 lists in that report will
all be "0" (indicating we all are using the new p2 publisher) but they are
currently in the hundreds. The reports do not currently track back to "who
is responsible" for using the old publisher, but I might add that when the
list gets smaller. As it is, the reporting code is simply looking at only
the "<required" elements to get the listings, and not keep track of which
IU required it.

As I mentioned in another note on this topic[3], the p2 publisher as of
Juno M1 began to publish "greedy=false" for those requirements which are
optional at runtime. The previous, implied default was "greedy=true".  This
better meets users and adopters expectations.

According to Thomas Hallgren[1], the Buckminster builder will use the new
publisher "by M6" so, not sure if that will be in time for you
Buckminster-builders to take advantage of for your own M6 contribution to
Juno M6, but you might keep a close eye on it, and plan on changing shortly
after M6 if not before.

According to Igor Fedorenko [5] Tycho uses 3.8-based publisher and
generates non-greedy optional dependencies since version 0.13. So, I hope
everyone who uses Tycho has or can soon move up to that version (or, what
ever is their latest recommended version).

So, if you haven't yet, please do try and move up to a Juno based p2
publisher as soon as possible so we can do more testing on what we will
release and find problems or surprises early. I suspect some of the
anomalies in the report (such as com.ibm.icu sometimes required greedily
and sometime not) is a side effect of people using "old" Orbit builds for
their deliverables.? Orbit is planning to provide a Juno M6 usable S-build
this Friday 3/9, so everyone should be able to move up to latest Orbit S
build next week.

While the reports may not be too useful to your individual project at the
moment (since, it is just a big list, without saying who's to "blame") you
might find it interesting. I thought it would make a good excuse to give a
timely reminder to upgrade your p2 publisher.

Remember, M6+0 is 03/16 and M6 complete and available on Friday, 03/23 [6]
which is significant because that is immediately before EclipseCon! It is a
challenge every year to make sure we get it done before people have to
start traveling!

Much thanks,


[1] http://build.eclipse.org/juno/simrel/
[2]
http://build.eclipse.org/juno/simrel/reporeports/reports/greedyReport.html
[3]
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg07098.html
[4] http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/buckminster-dev/msg01320.html
[5]
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg07100.html
[6] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Juno/Simultaneous_Release_Plan


_______________________________________________
cross-project-issues-dev mailing list
cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev

--
Vincent Zurczak

RCP Developer & ESB Consultant
Petals Link: http://www.petalslink.com
My Blog: http://vzurczak.wordpress.com
+33 (0) 4 76 96 15 16
]]> Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:16:32 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00074.html vincent.zurczak@xxxxxxx (Vincent Zurczak) [soa-dev] Project meta data is out of date for soa.sca http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00073.html =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane=2C?= Projects are required to keep meta data up to date using the MyFoundation Portal (http://portal.eclipse.org/). The following problems were found with this project's meta-data: * The date for release &quot;2.2.2&quot; is in the past, but ... =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane=2C?= Projects are required to keep meta data up to date using the MyFoundation Portal (http://portal.eclipse.org/). The following problems were found with this project's meta-data: * The date for release "2.2.2" is in the past, but the release is not marked as completed. If it is completed, it should be marked as completed; if it has been postponed, it should be given a new target date. ]]> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:00:09 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00073.html emo@xxxxxxx (portal on behalf of emo) [soa-dev] Project meta data is out of date for soa.sca http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00072.html =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane=2C?= Projects are required to keep meta data up to date using the MyFoundation Portal (http://portal.eclipse.org/). The following problems were found with this project's meta-data: * The date for release &quot;2.2.1&quot; is in the past, but ... =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane=2C?= Projects are required to keep meta data up to date using the MyFoundation Portal (http://portal.eclipse.org/). The following problems were found with this project's meta-data: * The date for release "2.2.1" is in the past, but the release is not marked as completed. If it is completed, it should be marked as completed; if it has been postponed, it should be given a new target date. ]]> Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:00:26 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00072.html emo@xxxxxxx (portal on behalf of emo) Re: [soa-dev] Eclipse SOA / BPMN http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00071.html Hi Matthew, I appreciate your reactivity and interest in these tools. Regarding import/export capabilities I don&#8217;t think the current Eclipse BPMN tools support the tools you mentioned. I also understand the need that you have for tooling that is commercia...

Hi Matthew,

 

I appreciate your reactivity and interest in these tools.


Regarding import/export capabilities I don’t think the current Eclipse BPMN tools support the tools you mentioned. I also understand the need that you have for tooling that is commercial grade and with a decent learning curve. As I mentioned before I really think we need to put more time and effort into documentation as that would massively encourage adoption. A lot of the of tools currently available under Eclipse SOA are quite mature but they severely lack in this aspect.

 

Feel free to watch this space and come back to us for further questions as you advance in your work. My replies to you will be archived on the mailing lists so other people might react later on. In any case good luck!

 

Cheers,

Adrian.

 

From: Matthew Rubenstein [mailto:matthewr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: lundi 19 décembre 2011 16:32
To: Mos, Adrian
Cc: soa-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx; mangrove-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Eclipse SOA / BPMN

 

    Your summary of my plans for BPMN (or alternate toolset) is accurate.

    Since I couldn't get started with BPMN2 I finished the first round, flowcharting a phone system, with Dia (exported to .VXD ). When I have the next step as a deliverable task in my schedule I'll look at BPMN again. If BPMN can import the Dia or .VXD (or other transformed format of the saved flowchart) I'll try that. If BPMN can export an Asterisk dialplan from a flowchart I'll look at BPMN again sooner, and probably create a flowchart with BPMN from scratch if it can't import what I already made.

    FWIW, since I haven't actually started using BPMN I haven't subscribed to its lists, like soa-dev or mangrove-dev . So my replies Cc'ed are not getting  archived there; they're bouncing. When I invest more time in the project I'll probably sign up, at least to a -users list.

I'm using Eclipse v3.6. I haven't heard a response to the "real soon now" timeframe expectations, so I haven't done anything to install BPMN. If I had been able to install BPMN from docs on a comprehensible website I might have subscribed. But I can't commit to yet another project that's not a tool I'm actually using or must use when it's ready (without knowing when that might be) instead of the alternatives, however superficially they substitute. Especially when BPMN is such a complex set of projects that don't offer a direct adoption path without upgrading my Eclipse and really becoming part of the community for a while before figuring out whether it's what I want to use.

    But I thank you for your guidance. If I do adopt BPMN at least there's a cogent and engaged person at the helm to turn to. I'd be happy to report how my use went, and what else the project could do for me. I've been in your position, and I've appreciated the collaboration with users like me.

From: Mos, Adrian [adrian.mos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 10:06 AM
To: Matthew Rubenstein
Cc: soa-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx; mangrove-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Eclipse SOA / BPMN

Hi Matthew,

 

Ok so it seems that initially BPMN will be used mostly for documentation with a view to potentially move to something that has the potential to automate things. I would be curious to follow your developments and in particular what kind of tools you’d expect to use in the future as this might give useful ideas for Mangrove developments.

 

Regarding the BPMN2 installation I will let the appropriate persons respond (Bob?). Regarding BPMN 1.0, did you manage to eventually install it and create diagrams with it?

 

Cheers,

Adrian.

 

 

From: Matthew Rubenstein [mailto:matthewr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: vendredi 16 décembre 2011 14:54
To: Mos, Adrian
Cc: soa-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx; mangrove-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Eclipse SOA / BPMN

 

                Thank you. The BPMN2 download page at http://www.eclipse.org/bpmn2-modeler/download.php indicates that BPMN2 is available for only Eclipse v3.7 , but that a version for Eclipse v3.6 will be available soon. Is there somewhere I can review to estimate how soon that might be?

 

                I’m looking to start with biz proc modeling and eventually revise our SW inventory according to that documentation. The SW is currently written in Java, PHP, Flex and SQL, and embedded firmware and circuit designs, with no other modeling or integration into anything but source code management tools. As we develop the models we will retain Java (but revise its codebase), and port the PHP and Flex (and some Java applets) to HTML4 and eventually HTML5, while the SQL evolves and some of the embedded code moves to Java. We also have office systems (phone system flows, email configs) and content (website, developer docs, user and staff manuals, marketing materials) that we plan to manage by at least documenting in biz proc flowcharts. So there is a tool (and business practice) vacuum for BPM to fill, that will influence the development of the SW according to its effectiveness (including our traveling its learning curve). It’s possible that moving to a BPM practice will awaken enthusiasm in the organization for the practice but will prefer different tools, so the ability to export the products of the BPM to other alternative tools, especially modularly (best tool for the specific job) will help adoption and retention.

 

 

From: Mos, Adrian [mailto:adrian.mos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:04 AM
To: Matthew Rubenstein
Cc: soa-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx; mangrove-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Eclipse SOA / BPMN

 

Hi Matthew,

 

Thank you for your interest and sorry for the slow reply, things were hectic this week. I am putting the soa-dev and mangrove-dev mailing lists in CC so that other people in the community can have the opportunity to help if needed.

I completely agree that there is  a severe lack of documentation especially for Mangrove. I’m planning to correct this soon.

 

In terms of the BPMN editor, it is certainly ready to use, in fact it’s quite a mature project approaching retirement J There is currently underway an effort to provide a complete rewrite of it compliant with BPMN 2.0, so a new BPMN2 modeller will soon be available. But you can certainly use the existing one in the meantime. FYI, here’s the new BPMN2 project page:

http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=soa.bpmn2-modeler

 

OK, so if you have all the components from the SOA development update site, you should be ready to create your BPMN diagrams. You should use File/New/Other and then you should find BPMN Diagram as a type of file under the “Other” category. Let me know if this is not the case.

 

Regarding Mangrove could you please say a few words about what kind of functionality you’re looking for (you looking to convert to SCA or other editors, starting from BPMN)?

 

I would also like to point you to Stardust, a very recent addition to Eclipse SOA, which provides a comprehensive suite for business process management. We are in the process of integrating this withing the Eclipse SOA ecosystem.

http://www.eclipse.org/stardust/

 

Hope this helps and feel free to ask questions and indeed make suggestions as you go along.

 

Thanks,
Adrian.

 

From: Matthew Rubenstein [mailto:matthewr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: vendredi 9 décembre 2011 23:27
To: Mos, Adrian
Subject: Eclipse SOA / BPMN

 

                Howdy. I want to use Eclipse (v3.6) to diagram business processes. I see that your SOA projects include BPMN and Mangrove. But I don’t see documentation for installing and getting started using them.

 

                In the Eclipse Install New Software… menu (--All Available Sites--) I installed the toplevel SOA Development and all items within it (except Java Workflow Tooling (Incubation), which conflicted with the non-Incubation item). But I don’t see either a new project type or new file type that I can create to edit as a flowchart. The Help… SOA > Install New Tutorials… item doesn’t find any tutorials. The project homepage has many links to either default Eclipse pages or 404. The Mangrove project, which seems to be the main featureset I’m looking for, has even less documentation on the Web (a few slideshows).

 

                Is the project software actually ready for users to use? I want to at least use a flowchart editor for BPMN. Thanks for your direction.

 

 

--

 

Matthew Rubenstein
VP of Technology

–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
US Energy Group
78-40 164th Street
Fresh Meadows, NY 11366
office: 718.380.1004 x1010
email: Matthew.Rubenstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

web: www.use-group.com
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
Building Energy Management Solutions

 

]]> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:42:39 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00071.html adrian.mos@xxxxxxx (Mos, Adrian) Re: [soa-dev] Eclipse SOA / BPMN http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00070.html Hi Matthew, Ok so it seems that initially BPMN will be used mostly for documentation with a view to potentially move to something that has the potential to automate things. I would be curious to follow your developments and in particular what kind of tool...

Hi Matthew,

 

Ok so it seems that initially BPMN will be used mostly for documentation with a view to potentially move to something that has the potential to automate things. I would be curious to follow your developments and in particular what kind of tools you’d expect to use in the future as this might give useful ideas for Mangrove developments.

 

Regarding the BPMN2 installation I will let the appropriate persons respond (Bob?). Regarding BPMN 1.0, did you manage to eventually install it and create diagrams with it?

 

Cheers,

Adrian.

 

 

From: Matthew Rubenstein [mailto:matthewr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: vendredi 16 décembre 2011 14:54
To: Mos, Adrian
Cc: soa-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx; mangrove-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Eclipse SOA / BPMN

 

                Thank you. The BPMN2 download page at http://www.eclipse.org/bpmn2-modeler/download.php indicates that BPMN2 is available for only Eclipse v3.7 , but that a version for Eclipse v3.6 will be available soon. Is there somewhere I can review to estimate how soon that might be?

 

                I’m looking to start with biz proc modeling and eventually revise our SW inventory according to that documentation. The SW is currently written in Java, PHP, Flex and SQL, and embedded firmware and circuit designs, with no other modeling or integration into anything but source code management tools. As we develop the models we will retain Java (but revise its codebase), and port the PHP and Flex (and some Java applets) to HTML4 and eventually HTML5, while the SQL evolves and some of the embedded code moves to Java. We also have office systems (phone system flows, email configs) and content (website, developer docs, user and staff manuals, marketing materials) that we plan to manage by at least documenting in biz proc flowcharts. So there is a tool (and business practice) vacuum for BPM to fill, that will influence the development of the SW according to its effectiveness (including our traveling its learning curve). It’s possible that moving to a BPM practice will awaken enthusiasm in the organization for the practice but will prefer different tools, so the ability to export the products of the BPM to other alternative tools, especially modularly (best tool for the specific job) will help adoption and retention.

 

 

From: Mos, Adrian [mailto:adrian.mos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:04 AM
To: Matthew Rubenstein
Cc: soa-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx; mangrove-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Eclipse SOA / BPMN

 

Hi Matthew,

 

Thank you for your interest and sorry for the slow reply, things were hectic this week. I am putting the soa-dev and mangrove-dev mailing lists in CC so that other people in the community can have the opportunity to help if needed.

I completely agree that there is  a severe lack of documentation especially for Mangrove. I’m planning to correct this soon.

 

In terms of the BPMN editor, it is certainly ready to use, in fact it’s quite a mature project approaching retirement J There is currently underway an effort to provide a complete rewrite of it compliant with BPMN 2.0, so a new BPMN2 modeller will soon be available. But you can certainly use the existing one in the meantime. FYI, here’s the new BPMN2 project page:

http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=soa.bpmn2-modeler

 

OK, so if you have all the components from the SOA development update site, you should be ready to create your BPMN diagrams. You should use File/New/Other and then you should find BPMN Diagram as a type of file under the “Other” category. Let me know if this is not the case.

 

Regarding Mangrove could you please say a few words about what kind of functionality you’re looking for (you looking to convert to SCA or other editors, starting from BPMN)?

 

I would also like to point you to Stardust, a very recent addition to Eclipse SOA, which provides a comprehensive suite for business process management. We are in the process of integrating this withing the Eclipse SOA ecosystem.

http://www.eclipse.org/stardust/

 

Hope this helps and feel free to ask questions and indeed make suggestions as you go along.

 

Thanks,
Adrian.

 

From: Matthew Rubenstein [mailto:matthewr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: vendredi 9 décembre 2011 23:27
To: Mos, Adrian
Subject: Eclipse SOA / BPMN

 

                Howdy. I want to use Eclipse (v3.6) to diagram business processes. I see that your SOA projects include BPMN and Mangrove. But I don’t see documentation for installing and getting started using them.

 

                In the Eclipse Install New Software… menu (--All Available Sites--) I installed the toplevel SOA Development and all items within it (except Java Workflow Tooling (Incubation), which conflicted with the non-Incubation item). But I don’t see either a new project type or new file type that I can create to edit as a flowchart. The Help… SOA > Install New Tutorials… item doesn’t find any tutorials. The project homepage has many links to either default Eclipse pages or 404. The Mangrove project, which seems to be the main featureset I’m looking for, has even less documentation on the Web (a few slideshows).

 

                Is the project software actually ready for users to use? I want to at least use a flowchart editor for BPMN. Thanks for your direction.

 

 

--

 

Matthew Rubenstein
VP of Technology

–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
US Energy Group
78-40 164th Street
Fresh Meadows, NY 11366
office: 718.380.1004 x1010
email: Matthew.Rubenstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

web: www.use-group.com
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
Building Energy Management Solutions

 

]]> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:07:01 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00070.html adrian.mos@xxxxxxx (Mos, Adrian) Re: [soa-dev] Eclipse SOA / BPMN http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00069.html Hi Matthew, Thank you for your interest and sorry for the slow reply, things were hectic this week. I am putting the soa-dev and mangrove-dev mailing lists in CC so that other people in the community can have the opportunity to help if needed. I completely...

Hi Matthew,

 

Thank you for your interest and sorry for the slow reply, things were hectic this week. I am putting the soa-dev and mangrove-dev mailing lists in CC so that other people in the community can have the opportunity to help if needed.

I completely agree that there is  a severe lack of documentation especially for Mangrove. I’m planning to correct this soon.

 

In terms of the BPMN editor, it is certainly ready to use, in fact it’s quite a mature project approaching retirement J There is currently underway an effort to provide a complete rewrite of it compliant with BPMN 2.0, so a new BPMN2 modeller will soon be available. But you can certainly use the existing one in the meantime. FYI, here’s the new BPMN2 project page:

http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=soa.bpmn2-modeler

 

OK, so if you have all the components from the SOA development update site, you should be ready to create your BPMN diagrams. You should use File/New/Other and then you should find BPMN Diagram as a type of file under the “Other” category. Let me know if this is not the case.

 

Regarding Mangrove could you please say a few words about what kind of functionality you’re looking for (you looking to convert to SCA or other editors, starting from BPMN)?

 

I would also like to point you to Stardust, a very recent addition to Eclipse SOA, which provides a comprehensive suite for business process management. We are in the process of integrating this withing the Eclipse SOA ecosystem.

http://www.eclipse.org/stardust/

 

Hope this helps and feel free to ask questions and indeed make suggestions as you go along.

 

Thanks,
Adrian.

 

From: Matthew Rubenstein [mailto:matthewr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: vendredi 9 décembre 2011 23:27
To: Mos, Adrian
Subject: Eclipse SOA / BPMN

 

                Howdy. I want to use Eclipse (v3.6) to diagram business processes. I see that your SOA projects include BPMN and Mangrove. But I don’t see documentation for installing and getting started using them.

 

                In the Eclipse Install New Software… menu (--All Available Sites--) I installed the toplevel SOA Development and all items within it (except Java Workflow Tooling (Incubation), which conflicted with the non-Incubation item). But I don’t see either a new project type or new file type that I can create to edit as a flowchart. The Help… SOA > Install New Tutorials… item doesn’t find any tutorials. The project homepage has many links to either default Eclipse pages or 404. The Mangrove project, which seems to be the main featureset I’m looking for, has even less documentation on the Web (a few slideshows).

 

                Is the project software actually ready for users to use? I want to at least use a flowchart editor for BPMN. Thanks for your direction.

 

 

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]]> Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:04:02 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00069.html adrian.mos@xxxxxxx (Mos, Adrian) [soa-dev] SOA Talk http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-dev/msg00068.html Hello SOA friends J Just to let you know that I made a talk proposal for EclipseCON that aims to present and demonstrate how DSLs can be integrated into Eclipse SOA TLP. This could potentially be interesting for anybody that wants to link the variety of to...

Hello SOA friends J

 

Just to let you know that I made a talk proposal for EclipseCON that aims to present and demonstrate how DSLs can be integrated into Eclipse SOA TLP. This could potentially be interesting for anybody that wants to link the variety of tools that the project is providing with domain-specific expertise and editors.

 

Please have a look and feel free to leave comments, I think it’s always good to show interest around a talk in order to have better chances of acceptance.

http://www.eclipsecon.org/2012/sessions/bringing-dsls-soa-and-bpm

 

Cheers,

Adrian.

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