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Re: [science-iwg] Eclipse vs. Netbeans and IntelliJ
Quite possible.

We also saw some Gartner report people are even asked to pay 1000$ or more to download (they'd get at least one subscription to IntelliJ or other products for one year instead;-) which contains nothing but "alternative facts" written by disgruntled former Sun employees who claim "Java EE" was dead and Spring Cloud or Spring Boot the only solution for the future. Pivotal denied having sponsored or influenced that report, but there's a lot of denial these days... ;-)

Let's hope, with many Science-deniers in powerful positions now, science and scientific research are not getting a hard time in some areas?;-/

Werner


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Eclipse vs. Netbeans and IntelliJ (UOMo)
   2. Re: SWTChart - EAVP (Philip Wenig)
   3. Re: Eclipse vs. Netbeans and IntelliJ (Jay Jay Billings)


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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:18:42 +0100
From: UOMo <uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: science-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Eclipse vs. Netbeans and IntelliJ
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I also used all 3 of them, mostly Eclipse followed by IntelliJ and
occasionally NetBeans (rarely in client projects)
After some many of the younger people may never have heard of like VisualJ
or Sun Java Studio.

I helped JavaOne for Kids roughly around the time this article was written.
And one session for older kids was held or at least sponsored by JetBrains,
so it involved Kotlin on IntelliJ.
Most of our time all of us volunteers had to help them with problems of
IntelliJ unable to find the Java 8 version on those machines. It may not be
found automatically by Eclipse if you have both a JRE and JDK, but
especially the most recent versions have a nice Auto-discovery that finds
all runtimes with just a click or two. Something I have not seen in any of
the IntelliJ versions up to last September. It's also not so intuitive,
because it tries to support multiple different runtimes hidden behind terms
like SDK. While it can be flexible, at least for kids or those who start
with Java I would not say it's easier to understand.

Werner

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> Hello,
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> Look at this: http://www.javaworld.com/article/3114167/development-
> tools/choosing-your-java-ide.html
>
> "Whereas Eclipse's plugin ecosystem once made it the top choice for
> developers, today it has become unwieldy and somewhat poorly maintained."
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> Comes bottom behind the other two big ones.
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> Matt
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> Hi Matt,
>
> I would argue that there are many other important aspects that makes
> Eclipse JDT superior to the others, especially with regards to my type of
> projects, which IDEA is unable to handle. But I?ll let that rest.
>
> I think ?unwieldy and somewhat poorly maintained? is something a lot of us
> have been thinking for at least the past few years. But is it still true? I
> see a lot of positive changes and many improvements being done to the
> Platform and JDT. It will just take some time before the outside world
> perception is changed.
>
> Best regards,
> Torkild
>
> > 26. jan. 2017 kl. 13.04 skrev <Matt.Gerring@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <
> Matt.Gerring@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Look at this: http://www.javaworld.com/article/3114167/development-
> tools/choosing-your-java-ide.html
> >
> > ?Whereas Eclipse's plugin ecosystem once made it the top choice for
> developers, today it has become unwieldy and somewhat poorly maintained.?
> >
> > Comes bottom behind the other two big ones.
> >
> > Matt
> >
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Don't worry - the author is just providing "alternative facts!" ;) It's
popular these days - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts

Joking aside, I get the feeling that the article was sponsored, especially
since it was also running ads for JetBrains.

Jay

On Jan 26, 2017 12:18, "UOMo" <uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I also used all 3 of them, mostly Eclipse followed by IntelliJ and
> occasionally NetBeans (rarely in client projects)
> After some many of the younger people may never have heard of like VisualJ
> or Sun Java Studio.
>
> I helped JavaOne for Kids roughly around the time this article was
> written. And one session for older kids was held or at least sponsored by
> JetBrains, so it involved Kotlin on IntelliJ.
> Most of our time all of us volunteers had to help them with problems of
> IntelliJ unable to find the Java 8 version on those machines. It may not be
> found automatically by Eclipse if you have both a JRE and JDK, but
> especially the most recent versions have a nice Auto-discovery that finds
> all runtimes with just a click or two. Something I have not seen in any of
> the IntelliJ versions up to last September. It's also not so intuitive,
> because it tries to support multiple different runtimes hidden behind terms
> like SDK. While it can be flexible, at least for kids or those who start
> with Java I would not say it's easier to understand.
>
> Werner
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 6:00 PM, <science-iwg-request@eclipse.org> wrote:
>
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>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:04:18 +0000
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>> To: <science-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [science-iwg] Eclipse vs.  Netbeans and IntelliJ
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>> Hello,
>>
>> Look at this: http://www.javaworld.com/article/3114167/development-tools/
>> choosing-your-java-ide.html
>>
>> "Whereas Eclipse's plugin ecosystem once made it the top choice for
>> developers, today it has become unwieldy and somewhat poorly maintained."
>>
>> Comes bottom behind the other two big ones.
>>
>> Matt
>>
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>> From: Torkild Ulv?y Resheim <torkildr@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Science Industry Working Group <science-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Eclipse vs.  Netbeans and IntelliJ
>> Message-ID: <54C39AA8-FEFF-40C6-BAB1-E65C55ED17EC@xxxxxxxxx>
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>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> I would argue that there are many other important aspects that makes
>> Eclipse JDT superior to the others, especially with regards to my type of
>> projects, which IDEA is unable to handle. But I?ll let that rest.
>>
>> I think ?unwieldy and somewhat poorly maintained? is something a lot of
>> us have been thinking for at least the past few years. But is it still
>> true? I see a lot of positive changes and many improvements being done to
>> the Platform and JDT. It will just take some time before the outside world
>> perception is changed.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Torkild
>>
>> > 26. jan. 2017 kl. 13.04 skrev <Matt.Gerring@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <
>> Matt.Gerring@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Look at this: http://www.javaworld.com/artic
>> le/3114167/development-tools/choosing-your-java-ide.html
>> >
>> > ?Whereas Eclipse's plugin ecosystem once made it the top choice for
>> developers, today it has become unwieldy and somewhat poorly maintained.?
>> >
>> > Comes bottom behind the other two big ones.
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> > --
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