| Re: [science-iwg] [location-iwg] Scientific papers - scientific software |
Interesting discussion, I've been advocating for scientists to make software codes used within scientific papers to Open Source.However the problem I have found is that the view from Universities does not treat software and scientific papers the same. Papers are of course encouraged and part of the culture but often software that was used in the paper is seen as intellectual property of the University and they are less willing to put it out there. I think a lot of this stems from a misunderstanding of open source in general and antiquated views on software in university settings. In fact, the transient nature of grad students and post docs in university makes open source more sense than holding it.The ideas in this thread don't specify Open Source, I'm not sure if that's implied or not...was that the intention? My opinion is ts that the open source goes hand in hand with the entire concept of peer review - how can someone really review your paper, or confirm results, without access to the engine behind it all?mattOn Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Martin Hammitzsch <martin.hammitzsch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:_______________________________________________Hi Everyone,
Philip, thanks for raising this issue and thanks to all for sharing.
If you are interested we may arrange a Hangout to share and discuss ideas. We may present approaches and activities already implemented as well as ideas and eventually next steps how to overcome related issues.
If this would be fine with you we could consider end of April or beginning of May for a Hangout.
Best,
MartinOn 16 Apr 2015 15:51, "Philip Wenig" <philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I like the blogpost about the reasons to be a research software engineer :-).
Thanks also Jay for adding your comment. As far as I understood Martin, the DOIed "software" package could contain also a paper describing it. The difference to a sole paper is, that the reviewers and/or readers can have a better understanding of it by using the software with test or real world data.
Best,
Philip
Am 16.04.2015 um 14:46 schrieb Jay Jay Billings:
I concur, although I will add one point.
We recognize these problems at ORNL and are working on it. However, one thing that we have started doing to kind of have our cake and eat it too is to publish papers on the software itself from a software engineering perspective and to work with users to jointly author papers on the science. Most of both papers can be constructed from documentation in the source.
Jay
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, <Matt.Gerring@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Philip,
This could be a great step for Research Software Engineers to get their work recognised to the community. One of our staff here, Mark Basham, has recently been involved with how to recognise the software contribution to science including creating an industry recognised term for the role, see http://www.rse.ac.uk/who.html and http://www.software.ac.uk/blog/2013-08-23-ten-reasons-be-research-software-engineer.
I think your proposal is in synergy with the idea and would help greatly.
Sincerely,
Matt Gerring
Diamond Light Source Ltd.
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Hi folks,
Martin gave an excellent talk about the publication of software at the EGU meeting yesterday. Scientists get reward for papers but not for software. Papers are cited, software not. That's a drawback for a scientific career. As we know, software has become crucial in scientific research nowadays. Hence, I'd like to share some of Martin's ideas with you:
* Certain Science/LocationTech WG releases/packages get a DOI
* The DOI points to a landing page with appropriate metadata to cite the release/package
* The release/package can be cited and will be ranked on Google Scholar and other systems
= This could be an incentive for more scientists to publish their software under the umbrella of the Science and LocationTech WG.
What's your opinion?
Best,
Philip
PDF of Martin's presentation:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tulhwtEK9l1yGaAX1YWsMR7OrQAwWDee4N2M1Yy7bIo/edit?pli=1#slide=id.gada00e2fc_0_866
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