Re: [rt-pmc] Re: Virgo

[Glyn Normington <gnormington@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 14 Jan 2010, at 22:33, Greg Wilkins wrote:

> Glyn Normington wrote:
>> Hi Greg
>> 
>> On 14 Jan 2010, at 00:14, Greg Wilkins wrote:
>> 
>>> Glyn Normington wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That said, there is no technical reason why an alternative Jetty-based server should not
>>>> also be offered by Virgo. Like the proposal says this should be a fairly straightforward
>>>> exercise. I am very happy to provide the necessary pointers to get the Jetty committers started.
>>> Glyn,
>>> 
>>> Surely this effort should be undertaken by the Virgo (and/or Gemini) teams.
>> 
>> For Gemini and Virgo to support Jetty, two thin adapters need to be written which will 
>> require understanding of Gemini/Virgo and Jetty, so I would expect there to be collaboration
>> between the teams, although who does what remains to be seen. The adapters will reside in
>> Gemini and Virgo, so will be maintained by Virgo committers.
> 
> 
> Glyn,
> 
> thanks for that statement!  That was what was missing from the proposal and was
> giving us visions of having to maintain the work ourselves.
> 
> Now if only you can say the same in the virgo proposal under the jetty section,
> then my concerns would be substantially addressed.

Good. I'll look into updating the proposal, probably by circulating draft changes on the Virgo forum in order to maximise visibility to interested parties.

> 
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>> The servlet container, OTOH, has significant externals, particularly configuration, 
>> which are visible as externals of dm Server. So Virgo needs to support Tomcat,
> 
> I'm certainly not suggesting that tomcat support be dropped, or that even Jetty is
> made the default.    I just want the drivers for jetty integration to come from
> within the gemini/virgo projects - so they will pull our help rather than have
> have us push it later (I guess we are pushing it now :)

Agreed.

> 
> 
>> and 
>> continue to do so, in order to serve the needs of the existing dm Server user community.
>> Regardless of who does the work, adding the Jetty adapters should IMO be a follow-on
>> activity rather than a pre-req to donation.
> 
> I don't believe the work needs to be done pre donation, but I do believe a commitment
> to have such a module pre first release should be made as part of the project proposal.

I agree with the need to make a commitment.

However, I would like to ship a baseline release as soon as we have transferred the code base and got it to build and pass its current tests. This baseline will provide a migration target for current users.

> 
> Post donation, I think there will be lots of work for you to do, and I don't want
> to see integration with other RT projects de prioritized and the need for non-virgo
> committers to convince virgo committers that such a module is needed.

Agreed.

> 
> If the adaptors are truly thin and easy, then I don't see it as very onerous to
> commit to providing them pre first release.

Agreed, except I want to create a baseline first.

> 
> cheers

Regards,
Glyn

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