rap-dev http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/maillist.html rap-dev en-us Mon, 21 May 2012 21:50:04 GMT Mon, 21 May 2012 21:50:04 GMT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss MHonArc RSS 2.0 RCFile webmaster@eclipse.org (Webmaster) webmaster@eclipse.org (Webmaster) rap-dev http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse.org-common/themes/Phoenix/images/eclipse_home_header.jpg http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/maillist.html [rap-dev] Release candidate, maintenance branch http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00898.html Hi RAP committers, I've just built the first release candidate for RAP 1.5.0. Please note that from now on, we're in the RC phase and the rules of our ramp-down plan [1] apply. I've created a maintenance branch for 1.5 [2]. The development continues in mas... Hi RAP committers, I've just built the first release candidate for RAP 1.5.0. Please note that from now on, we're in the RC phase and the rules of our ramp-down plan [1] apply. I've created a maintenance branch for 1.5 [2]. The development continues in master, critical bug fixes can be cherry-picked to the 1.5-maintenance branch after agreement in bugzilla. We've also setup separate hudson jobs for 1.5 and 2.0 (master): https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/job/rap-1.5-runtime/ and .../rap-1.5-tools/ https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/job/rap-2.0-runtime/ and .../rap-2.0-tools/ The naming pattern for the maintenance branch (streams/1.5-maintenance) is inspired by the convention used in the CDO repository [3]. This structure helps keeping the list of branches clear even if we decide to push feature branches to the repository. Cheers, Ralf [1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/RAP/Ramp_down_plan [2] http://git.eclipse.org/c/rap/org.eclipse.rap.git/log/?h=streams/1.5-maintenance [3] http://git.eclipse.org/c/cdo/cdo.git/refs/ ]]> Mon, 21 May 2012 21:48:36 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00898.html rsternberg@xxxxxxx (Ralf Sternberg) Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00897.html I'm not convinced that including the war products is worth marking the whole package as "incubation". 1) The package is used by RCP developers as well and downloaded quite often, the incubation warning might scare more users away than would actually benefit from the war products. Last year, there was the same discussion about including EGit, it had been rejected because of its incubation state. 2) The war products feature is very easy to install from the Juno repository that is already configured in the IDE. 3) Including the war products would not make this feature easier to find. Without reading the documentation, you wouldn't know that it's there, neither how to use it. However, it's a trade-off. If you have a strong feeling towards including it, you should open a bug against EPP. Apart from this, we should check with the Libra guys about their plans. If they can provide a release version next year, it will surely be included. With RC1 already built, it's too late for Juno anyway, I guess. Regards, Ralf On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Frank Gerhardt <fg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue 15 May 2012 06:48:38 PM CEST, Frank Appel wrote: >> RÃdiger told me so yesterday too, Âwhich brings me back to my original >> Opinion.. :-) > > I'd also rather include it. A colleague used it for a few months > already and I learned about it only last week. Why not make the UX > better? > > Frank. > > _______________________________________________ > rap-dev mailing list > rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev ]]> Thu, 17 May 2012 19:49:49 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00897.html rsternberg@xxxxxxx (Ralf Sternberg) Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00896.html I'd also rather include it. A colleague used it for a few months already and I learned about it only last week. Why not make the UX better? Frank. On Tue 15 May 2012 06:48:38 PM CEST, Frank Appel wrote: > RÃdiger told me so yesterday too, which brings me back to my original > Opinion.. :-) I'd also rather include it. A colleague used it for a few months already and I learned about it only last week. Why not make the UX better? Frank. ]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 20:36:10 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00896.html fg@xxxxxxx (Frank Gerhardt) Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00895.html Thanks Holger, R&#xFC;diger told me so yesterday too, &#xA0;which brings me back to my original Opinion.. :-) CiaoFrank Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Holger StaudacherGesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2012 17:23An: ...

Thanks Holger,

 

Rüdiger told me so yesterday too,  which brings me back to my original Opinion.. :-)

 

 

Ciao

Frank

 

Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Holger Staudacher
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2012 17:23
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Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

 

@Frank, this is not the case. When adding the WAR Products to the RCP Package only the package needs to be marked as incubation, not anything RAP specific.

 

@Cole, this is part of the official documentation for a long time now, see http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/topic/org.eclipse.rap.help/help/html/advanced/deployment.html

 

 

On May 14, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Frank Appel wrote:



Ouch -

 

We can not make a difference between the RAP runtime and the tooling regarding incubation - right? My mistake. That makes things look different. Having the incubation flag on the runtime stuff is not a good idea - I agree.

 

Ciao

Frank

 

Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Frank Appel
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 18:59
An: 'RAP project development-related communication'
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

 

Hi,

 

I don't think that the "incubation" flag is such a problem for an end user. But I made the experience by myself that I found it quite annoying that I had to do extra google search and installation steps for something that should be there right from the start. IMHO inclusion of this feature would help more to increase the user acceptance than the "incubation stigma" would decrease it.

 

Ciao

Frank

 

Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Holger Staudacher
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 17:48
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

 

From my point of view I wouldn't try to integrate the war products into the RCP/RAP package. Of course the tooling is great for exporting server-side applications really quick. But I don't think it's worth to add an "incubation" flag to the RCP/RAP package. As Ralf pointed out when you google for war/rap the first hit is the blog post and the war products are in the sim-rel repo. So, it's pretty easy to install them. After graduating Libra I think we should integrate the tooling, but not now.

 

 

Cheers Holger

 

 

 

On May 14, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Luis Costa wrote:

 

Great!

Em 14/05/2012 11:43, "Frank Appel" <fr.appel@xxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:

Hi all,

I would opt +1 for including the WAR Products :-)


Greetings
Frank

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
Auftrag von Ralf Sternberg
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 15:03
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

Hi Elias,

From the requests we get, my impression is that everyone who's interested in
war builds for RAP knows about the WAR products. If you google for "war
rap", the first thing you get is Holger's blog posts that point to it.

I'm opposed to adding an (Incubation) to the package for RCP and RAP because
this is would make a major package appear unstable.

Regards, Ralf


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Elias Volanakis <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> most people I know just download the "Eclipse for RCP and RAP developers"
> package.
>
> Personally, I think it would be useful to include the "WAR Product"
> tooling there, even if we have to add "contains incubation components"
> to the package. Currently I think very few people are aware of the tool.
>
> Best regards,
> Elias.
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Markus Knauer
> <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've answered on the bug - I think the main problem is that they are
>> still in incubation and Libra plans to release a version 0.2 together
with Juno.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to have this feature - either in the RAP Tooling
>> or in the EPP RCP/RAP package, but the 'incubation-problem' was the
>> reason for me to exclude it last year from the EPP package.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Elias Volanakis
>> <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi fellow RAP committers,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that the current tooling download, still does not
>>> include the WAR Product Export wizard.
>>>
>>> I feel a large part of the community is missing out on this very
>>> useful tool, since it is only available as an optional add-on (and
>>> not even from the RAP homepage). What does need to happen, so we
>>> could include it with the rap tooling (Bug 363303) ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Elias.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
>>> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>>>
>>>
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>>
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]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 16:48:44 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00895.html fr.appel@xxxxxxx (Frank Appel) Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00894.html Holger StaudacherFollow me: @hstaudacherInnoopract Informationssysteme GmbHhstaudacher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxTel: +49 721 - 66 47 33 - 0Fax: +49 721 - 66 47 33 29========================= Legal Disclaimer =========================According to Section 80 of the ... @Frank, this is not the case. When adding the WAR Products to the RCP Package only the package needs to be marked as incubation, not anything RAP specific.

@Cole, this is part of the official documentation for a long time now, see http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/topic/org.eclipse.rap.help/help/html/advanced/deployment.html


On May 14, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Frank Appel wrote:

Ouch -
 
We can not make a difference between the RAP runtime and the tooling regarding incubation - right? My mistake. That makes things look different. Having the incubation flag on the runtime stuff is not a good idea - I agree.
 
Ciao
Frank
 
Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Frank Appel
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 18:59
An: 'RAP project development-related communication'
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export
 
Hi,
 
I don't think that the "incubation" flag is such a problem for an end user. But I made the experience by myself that I found it quite annoying that I had to do extra google search and installation steps for something that should be there right from the start. IMHO inclusion of this feature would help more to increase the user acceptance than the "incubation stigma" would decrease it.
 
Ciao
Frank
 
Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Holger Staudacher
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 17:48
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export
 
From my point of view I wouldn't try to integrate the war products into the RCP/RAP package. Of course the tooling is great for exporting server-side applications really quick. But I don't think it's worth to add an "incubation" flag to the RCP/RAP package. As Ralf pointed out when you google for war/rap the first hit is the blog post and the war products are in the sim-rel repo. So, it's pretty easy to install them. After graduating Libra I think we should integrate the tooling, but not now.
 
 
Cheers Holger
 
 
 
On May 14, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Luis Costa wrote:

 

Great!

Em 14/05/2012 11:43, "Frank Appel" <fr.appel@xxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:
Hi all,

I would opt +1 for including the WAR Products :-)


Greetings
Frank

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
Auftrag von Ralf Sternberg
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 15:03
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

Hi Elias,

From the requests we get, my impression is that everyone who's interested in
war builds for RAP knows about the WAR products. If you google for "war
rap", the first thing you get is Holger's blog posts that point to it.

I'm opposed to adding an (Incubation) to the package for RCP and RAP because
this is would make a major package appear unstable.

Regards, Ralf


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Elias Volanakis <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> most people I know just download the "Eclipse for RCP and RAP developers"
> package.
>
> Personally, I think it would be useful to include the "WAR Product"
> tooling there, even if we have to add "contains incubation components"
> to the package. Currently I think very few people are aware of the tool.
>
> Best regards,
> Elias.
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Markus Knauer
> <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've answered on the bug - I think the main problem is that they are
>> still in incubation and Libra plans to release a version 0.2 together
with Juno.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to have this feature - either in the RAP Tooling
>> or in the EPP RCP/RAP package, but the 'incubation-problem' was the
>> reason for me to exclude it last year from the EPP package.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Elias Volanakis
>> <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi fellow RAP committers,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that the current tooling download, still does not
>>> include the WAR Product Export wizard.
>>>
>>> I feel a large part of the community is missing out on this very
>>> useful tool, since it is only available as an optional add-on (and
>>> not even from the RAP homepage). What does need to happen, so we
>>> could include it with the rap tooling (Bug 363303) ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Elias.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
>>> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rap-dev mailing list
>>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rap-dev mailing list
>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>
>
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]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 15:23:34 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00894.html hstaudacher@xxxxxxx (Holger Staudacher) Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00893.html Ouch - We can not make a difference between the RAP runtime and the tooling regarding incubation - right? My mistake. That makes things look different. Having the incubation flag on the runtime stuff is not a good idea - I agree. CiaoFrank Von: rap-dev-bo...

Ouch -

 

We can not make a difference between the RAP runtime and the tooling regarding incubation - right? My mistake. That makes things look different. Having the incubation flag on the runtime stuff is not a good idea - I agree.

 

Ciao

Frank

 

Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Frank Appel
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 18:59
An: 'RAP project development-related communication'
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

 

Hi,

 

I don't think that the "incubation" flag is such a problem for an end user. But I made the experience by myself that I found it quite annoying that I had to do extra google search and installation steps for something that should be there right from the start. IMHO inclusion of this feature would help more to increase the user acceptance than the "incubation stigma" would decrease it.

 

Ciao

Frank

 

Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Holger Staudacher
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 17:48
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

 

From my point of view I wouldn't try to integrate the war products into the RCP/RAP package. Of course the tooling is great for exporting server-side applications really quick. But I don't think it's worth to add an "incubation" flag to the RCP/RAP package. As Ralf pointed out when you google for war/rap the first hit is the blog post and the war products are in the sim-rel repo. So, it's pretty easy to install them. After graduating Libra I think we should integrate the tooling, but not now.

 

 

Cheers Holger

 

 

 

On May 14, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Luis Costa wrote:

 

Great!

Em 14/05/2012 11:43, "Frank Appel" <fr.appel@xxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:

Hi all,

I would opt +1 for including the WAR Products :-)


Greetings
Frank

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
Auftrag von Ralf Sternberg
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 15:03
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

Hi Elias,

From the requests we get, my impression is that everyone who's interested in
war builds for RAP knows about the WAR products. If you google for "war
rap", the first thing you get is Holger's blog posts that point to it.

I'm opposed to adding an (Incubation) to the package for RCP and RAP because
this is would make a major package appear unstable.

Regards, Ralf


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Elias Volanakis <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> most people I know just download the "Eclipse for RCP and RAP developers"
> package.
>
> Personally, I think it would be useful to include the "WAR Product"
> tooling there, even if we have to add "contains incubation components"
> to the package. Currently I think very few people are aware of the tool.
>
> Best regards,
> Elias.
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Markus Knauer
> <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've answered on the bug - I think the main problem is that they are
>> still in incubation and Libra plans to release a version 0.2 together
with Juno.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to have this feature - either in the RAP Tooling
>> or in the EPP RCP/RAP package, but the 'incubation-problem' was the
>> reason for me to exclude it last year from the EPP package.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Elias Volanakis
>> <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi fellow RAP committers,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that the current tooling download, still does not
>>> include the WAR Product Export wizard.
>>>
>>> I feel a large part of the community is missing out on this very
>>> useful tool, since it is only available as an optional add-on (and
>>> not even from the RAP homepage). What does need to happen, so we
>>> could include it with the rap tooling (Bug 363303) ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Elias.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
>>> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rap-dev mailing list
>>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rap-dev mailing list
>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>
>
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]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 17:02:34 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00893.html fr.appel@xxxxxxx (Frank Appel) Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00892.html Hi, I don't think that the &quot;incubation&quot; flag is such a problem for an end user. But I made the experience by myself that I found it quite annoying that I had to do extra google search and installation steps for something that should be there right from th...

Hi,

 

I don't think that the "incubation" flag is such a problem for an end user. But I made the experience by myself that I found it quite annoying that I had to do extra google search and installation steps for something that should be there right from the start. IMHO inclusion of this feature would help more to increase the user acceptance than the "incubation stigma" would decrease it.

 

Ciao

Frank

 

Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Holger Staudacher
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 17:48
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

 

From my point of view I wouldn't try to integrate the war products into the RCP/RAP package. Of course the tooling is great for exporting server-side applications really quick. But I don't think it's worth to add an "incubation" flag to the RCP/RAP package. As Ralf pointed out when you google for war/rap the first hit is the blog post and the war products are in the sim-rel repo. So, it's pretty easy to install them. After graduating Libra I think we should integrate the tooling, but not now.

 

 

Cheers Holger

 

 

 

On May 14, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Luis Costa wrote:



Great!

Em 14/05/2012 11:43, "Frank Appel" <fr.appel@xxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:

Hi all,

I would opt +1 for including the WAR Products :-)


Greetings
Frank

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
Auftrag von Ralf Sternberg
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 15:03
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

Hi Elias,

From the requests we get, my impression is that everyone who's interested in
war builds for RAP knows about the WAR products. If you google for "war
rap", the first thing you get is Holger's blog posts that point to it.

I'm opposed to adding an (Incubation) to the package for RCP and RAP because
this is would make a major package appear unstable.

Regards, Ralf


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Elias Volanakis <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> most people I know just download the "Eclipse for RCP and RAP developers"
> package.
>
> Personally, I think it would be useful to include the "WAR Product"
> tooling there, even if we have to add "contains incubation components"
> to the package. Currently I think very few people are aware of the tool.
>
> Best regards,
> Elias.
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Markus Knauer
> <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've answered on the bug - I think the main problem is that they are
>> still in incubation and Libra plans to release a version 0.2 together
with Juno.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to have this feature - either in the RAP Tooling
>> or in the EPP RCP/RAP package, but the 'incubation-problem' was the
>> reason for me to exclude it last year from the EPP package.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Elias Volanakis
>> <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi fellow RAP committers,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that the current tooling download, still does not
>>> include the WAR Product Export wizard.
>>>
>>> I feel a large part of the community is missing out on this very
>>> useful tool, since it is only available as an optional add-on (and
>>> not even from the RAP homepage). What does need to happen, so we
>>> could include it with the rap tooling (Bug 363303) ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Elias.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
>>> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rap-dev mailing list
>>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
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]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 16:59:06 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00892.html fr.appel@xxxxxxx (Frank Appel) Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00891.html _______________________________________________rap-dev mailing listrap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxhttps://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev Holger StaudacherFollow me: @hstaudacherInnoopract Informationssysteme GmbH hstaudacher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxTel: +49 721 - ... Perhaps something in the RAP documentation with explicit instructions on setting up the WAR Export tools would be better. I think the fact that everyone keeps saying "when you Google for it" implies that something is missing that users expect to be there.


Cole


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Holger Staudacher <hstaudacher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From my point of view I wouldn't try to integrate the war products into the RCP/RAP package. Of course the tooling is great for exporting server-side applications really quick. But I don't think it's worth to add an "incubation" flag to the RCP/RAP package.ÂAs Ralf pointed out when you google for war/rap the first hit is the blog post and the war products are in the sim-rel repo. So, it's pretty easy to install them. After graduating Libra I think we should integrate the tooling, but not now.


Cheers Holger



On May 14, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Luis Costa wrote:

Great!

Em 14/05/2012 11:43, "Frank Appel" <fr.appel@xxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:
Hi all,

I would opt +1 for including the WAR Products :-)


Greetings
Frank

-----UrsprÃngliche Nachricht-----
Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
Auftrag von Ralf Sternberg
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 15:03
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

Hi Elias,

>From the requests we get, my impression is that everyone who's interested in
war builds for RAP knows about the WAR products. If you google for "war
rap", the first thing you get is Holger's blog posts that point to it.

I'm opposed to adding an (Incubation) to the package for RCP and RAP because
this is would make a major package appear unstable.

Regards, Ralf


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Elias Volanakis <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> most people I know just download the "Eclipse for RCP and RAP developers"
> package.
>
> Personally, I think it would be useful to include the "WAR Product"
> tooling there, even if we have to add "contains incubation components"
> to the package. Currently I think very few people are aware of the tool.
>
> Best regards,
> Elias.
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Markus Knauer
> <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've answered on the bug - I think the main problem is that they are
>> still in incubation and Libra plans to release a version 0.2 together
with Juno.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to have this feature - either in the RAP Tooling
>> or in the EPP RCP/RAP package, but the 'incubation-problem' was the
>> reason for me to exclude it last year from the EPP package.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Elias Volanakis
>> <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi fellow RAP committers,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that the current tooling download, still does not
>>> include the WAR Product Export wizard.
>>>
>>> I feel a large part of the community is missing out on this very
>>> useful tool, since it is only available as an optional add-on (and
>>> not even from the RAP homepage). What does need to happen, so we
>>> could include it with the rap tooling (Bug 363303) ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Elias.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
>>> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rap-dev mailing list
>>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rap-dev mailing list
>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>
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]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 15:56:40 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00891.html cole@xxxxxxx (Cole Markham) Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00890.html _______________________________________________rap-dev mailing listrap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxhttps://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev Holger StaudacherFollow me: @hstaudacherInnoopract Informationssysteme GmbHhstaudacher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxTel: +49 721 - 66... From my point of view I wouldn't try to integrate the war products into the RCP/RAP package. Of course the tooling is great for exporting server-side applications really quick. But I don't think it's worth to add an "incubation" flag to the RCP/RAP package. As Ralf pointed out when you google for war/rap the first hit is the blog post and the war products are in the sim-rel repo. So, it's pretty easy to install them. After graduating Libra I think we should integrate the tooling, but not now.


Cheers Holger



On May 14, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Luis Costa wrote:

Great!

Em 14/05/2012 11:43, "Frank Appel" <fr.appel@xxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:
Hi all,

I would opt +1 for including the WAR Products :-)


Greetings
Frank

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
Auftrag von Ralf Sternberg
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 15:03
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

Hi Elias,

From the requests we get, my impression is that everyone who's interested in
war builds for RAP knows about the WAR products. If you google for "war
rap", the first thing you get is Holger's blog posts that point to it.

I'm opposed to adding an (Incubation) to the package for RCP and RAP because
this is would make a major package appear unstable.

Regards, Ralf


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Elias Volanakis <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> most people I know just download the "Eclipse for RCP and RAP developers"
> package.
>
> Personally, I think it would be useful to include the "WAR Product"
> tooling there, even if we have to add "contains incubation components"
> to the package. Currently I think very few people are aware of the tool.
>
> Best regards,
> Elias.
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Markus Knauer
> <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've answered on the bug - I think the main problem is that they are
>> still in incubation and Libra plans to release a version 0.2 together
with Juno.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to have this feature - either in the RAP Tooling
>> or in the EPP RCP/RAP package, but the 'incubation-problem' was the
>> reason for me to exclude it last year from the EPP package.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Elias Volanakis
>> <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi fellow RAP committers,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that the current tooling download, still does not
>>> include the WAR Product Export wizard.
>>>
>>> I feel a large part of the community is missing out on this very
>>> useful tool, since it is only available as an optional add-on (and
>>> not even from the RAP homepage). What does need to happen, so we
>>> could include it with the rap tooling (Bug 363303) ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Elias.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
>>> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rap-dev mailing list
>>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rap-dev mailing list
>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 15:48:26 GMT http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00890.html hstaudacher@xxxxxxx (Holger Staudacher) Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rap-dev/msg00889.html Great! Em 14/05/2012 11:43, &quot;Frank Appel&quot; &lt;fr.appel@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt; escreveu: Great!

Em 14/05/2012 11:43, "Frank Appel" <fr.appel@xxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:
Hi all,

I would opt +1 for including the WAR Products :-)


Greetings
Frank

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rap-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
Auftrag von Ralf Sternberg
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Mai 2012 15:03
An: RAP project development-related communication
Betreff: Re: [rap-dev] WAR Product Export

Hi Elias,

>From the requests we get, my impression is that everyone who's interested in
war builds for RAP knows about the WAR products. If you google for "war
rap", the first thing you get is Holger's blog posts that point to it.

I'm opposed to adding an (Incubation) to the package for RCP and RAP because
this is would make a major package appear unstable.

Regards, Ralf


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Elias Volanakis <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> most people I know just download the "Eclipse for RCP and RAP developers"
> package.
>
> Personally, I think it would be useful to include the "WAR Product"
> tooling there, even if we have to add "contains incubation components"
> to the package. Currently I think very few people are aware of the tool.
>
> Best regards,
> Elias.
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Markus Knauer
> <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've answered on the bug - I think the main problem is that they are
>> still in incubation and Libra plans to release a version 0.2 together
with Juno.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to have this feature - either in the RAP Tooling
>> or in the EPP RCP/RAP package, but the 'incubation-problem' was the
>> reason for me to exclude it last year from the EPP package.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Elias Volanakis
>> <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi fellow RAP committers,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that the current tooling download, still does not
>>> include the WAR Product Export wizard.
>>>
>>> I feel a large part of the community is missing out on this very
>>> useful tool, since it is only available as an optional add-on (and
>>> not even from the RAP homepage). What does need to happen, so we
>>> could include it with the rap tooling (Bug 363303) ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Elias.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
>>> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rap-dev mailing list
>>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rap-dev mailing list
>> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Elias Volanakis | Technical Lead | http://eclipsesource.com
> elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | +1 503 929 5537 | @evolanakis
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> rap-dev mailing list
> rap-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/rap-dev
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