Re: [ptp-user] Problem setting up RDT

[Beth Tibbitts <tibbitts@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm not an expert on Windows 7 or multi-user/admin privileges.
But yes the eclipse installation will need to write to eclipse/ and its subfolders in order to install things.
However in the case where the user does not have write access there is such a thing as a multi-user install.
See http://help.eclipse.org/helios/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/misc/multi_user_installs.html for more info.
If you install things and can't write to the normal area I think it will write to the .eclipse(?) directory

Another problem could be with the space and characters in the Path name "Program Files (x86)\eclipse"
I would think this *ought* to work but who knows. I tend not to use paths with spaces in the names.



...Beth

Beth Tibbitts
Eclipse Parallel Tools Platform http://eclipse.org/ptp
IBM STG Communications Protocols and Tools
Mailing Address: IBM Corp., Coldstream Research Campus, 745 West New Circle Road, Lexington, KY 40511

Malte Forkel ---08/31/2010 09:02:02 AM---> Unzip your eclipse-cpp to a different place from the first one (tell > me the exact filename and b

From:	Malte Forkel <malte.forkel@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date:	08/31/2010 09:02 AM
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Unzip your eclipse-cpp to a different place from the first one (tell me the exact filename and byte size you downloaded.)
Use Help > Install new software
and from the Helios update site, under General, check Parallel Tools Platform end user runtime.
Install just that. Restart Eclipse.
Do you see the red-circular Arrow icon in the toolbar?
(It's in this image: just to the right under the "Help" menu)
You should also see some PTP Perspectives under Window > Open Perspective > Other.
Let me know if that much works ok.

That was a good idea.

I unziped eclipse-cpp-helios-win32.zip, downloaded from http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ on July 30th, MD5 checksum c20246338fb847d2e95f13ca03e45d38 and size 92.113.717 bytes to a folder in my Windows home directory.

I then installed from Helios - http://download.eclipse.org/releases/helios the plugin
General Purpose Tools > Parallel Tools Plaform (PTP) End-User Runtime (resulting in Parallel Tools Platform (PTP) End-User Runtime, 4.0.0.201006142322, org.eclipse.ptp.feature.group) and restarted Eclipse.

The new installation looks fine: There's a red circular arrow [Repeat last Parallel Analysis] and there are some new perspectives Window > Open Perspective > Other: ..., Parallel Debug, Parallel Runtime, ...

I then compared the contents of the plugins directory of the original installation and the new installation. While there are plenty of org.eclipse.ptp.* files and folders in the new installation, none exist in the old installation. My guess is that this might be caused by the Windows access control. For the old installation, I had copied Eclipse to "Program Files (x86)\eclipse". Could it be that Java / Eclipse isn't able to create files and folders there? Still, that would mean that there is a significant difference between Eclipse's own idea of its configuration and the real configuration.

I guess I need some advice on how to install Ecplise and/or Java for all users on Windows 7.

Malte

Am 31.08.2010 02:25, schrieb Beth Tibbitts:

Sorry Malte, none of this makes sense to me.
Unless I can get my hands on your machine to see what's happening (I'm really curious), I think we should start from scratch.

Let's install one thing and make sure you can see its UI contributions.
Unzip your eclipse-cpp to a different place from the first one (tell me the exact filename and byte size you downloaded.)
Use Help > Install new software
and from the Helios update site, under General, check Parallel Tools Platform end user runtime.
Install just that. Restart Eclipse.
Do you see the red-circular Arrow icon in the toolbar?
(It's in this image: just to the right under the "Help" menu)
You should also see some PTP Perspectives under Window > Open Perspective > Other.
Let me know if that much works ok.


...Beth

Beth Tibbitts
Eclipse Parallel Tools Platform http://eclipse.org/ptp
IBM STG Communications Protocols and Tools
Mailing Address: IBM Corp., Coldstream Research Campus, 745 West New Circle Road, Lexington, KY 40511

Malte Forkel ---08/30/2010 04:12:30 PM---> What perspective are you already IN when you do the above? The context > menus may look different


From:	Malte Forkel <malte.forkel@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date:	08/30/2010 04:12 PM
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What perspective are you already IN when you do the above? The context menus may look different but all those
things should be there somewhere, perhaps under another level of menus or parent folder in dialog, etc. depending on your perspective.
I'm in the C/C++ perspective. The Window > Open Perspective menu contains Debug, Team Synchronizing, and Other... which in turn lists C/C++ (default), CVS Repository Exploring, Debug, Planning, Resource, and Team Synchronizing.

Is there anything in the environment that might influence which plugins will load or how they impact eclipse? E.g., here's the contents of eclipse.ini:

-startup
plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.1.0.v20100507.jar
--launcher.library
plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.win32.win32.x86_1.1.0.v20100503
-product
org.eclipse.epp.package.cpp.product
--launcher.defaultAction
openFile
--launcher.XXMaxPermSize
256M
-showsplash
org.eclipse.platform
--launcher.XXMaxPermSize
256m
--launcher.defaultAction
openFile
-vmargs
-Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.5
-Xms40m
-Xmx384m
You might restart eclipse with the -clean parameter and see if that makes any difference.
Unfortenately, the -clean parameter does not seem to change anything.

Malte


Am 30.08.2010 19:47, schrieb Beth Tibbitts:
>My Eclipse installation seems to be pretty stubborn as far as changes to the user interface are concerned.
>As already reported, there is no Window > Open Perspective > Remote C/C++ and no File > New > Remote C/C++ Project.
>There also is no New > Remote C/C++ project in the project explorer's context menu and no
>Window > Open Perspective > Other > Remote System Explorer or anything else related to RSE anywhere I looked.

What perspective are you already IN when you do the above? The context menus may look different but all those
things should be there somewhere, perhaps under another level of menus or parent folder in dialog, etc. depending on your perspective.

You might restart eclipse with the -clean parameter and see if that makes any difference.

>Do I have a choice between RDT and RSE when I want to develop on a remote Linux machine?
When you use RDT, you have a choice between Remote Tools and RSE as the "Remote Provider"
>Do I need PTP for remote C++ development, as as prerequisite for RDT, or not at all?
Parts of PTP are needed by RDT; the pre-reqs should pull that in but installing the PTP End-user Runtime, as you said you did, is safest.

I'm not familiar with Eclipse Colorer so can't help there.


...Beth

Beth Tibbitts
Eclipse Parallel Tools Platform http://eclipse.org/ptp
IBM STG Communications Protocols and Tools
Mailing Address: IBM Corp., Coldstream Research Campus, 745 West New Circle Road, Lexington, KY 40511

Malte Forkel ---08/30/2010 12:24:26 PM--- Thanks for your help. I installed all software through Help > Install New Software... and

From:	Malte Forkel <malte.forkel@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date:	08/30/2010 12:24 PM
Subject:	Re: [ptp-user] Problem setting up RDT
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Thanks for your help.

I installed all software through Help > Install New Software... and never noticed any other software packages being pulled in besides the one(s) I had selected.

I installed the software in three steps, looking for changes in the user interface after each step:
1. PTP Remote Development Tools (RDT), Version 4.0.0
2. PTP RDT Remote Tools Support, Version 4.0.0, plus Remote System Explorer End-User Runtime, Version 3.2.0
3. Parallel Tools Platform (PTP) End-User Runtime, Version 4.0.0
I then activated http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ptp/updates/helios and the updates were detected and installed automatically after a restart.

Here is a complete account of my current configuration, copied from Help > About Eclipse > Installation Details > Installation History > Configurations contents:
Eclipse Colorer 0.9.8
Eclipse IDE for C/C++ Developers 1.3.0.20100617-0520
Eclipse Platform 3.6.0.I20100608-0911
EPP CPP Feature 1.3.0.20100617-0520
Parallel Tools Platform (PTP) End-User Runtime 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Common External Components 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Common Utilities 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Core Components 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP External Tools Framework 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Parallel Language Development Tools 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Parallel Language Development Tools LAPI Support 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Remote Services 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Remote Tools Adapter 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Remote Tools Services 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Resource Manager for IBM LoadLeveler 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Resource Manager for IBM Parallel Environment 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Resource Manager for MPICH2 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Resource Manager for Open MPI 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Resource Manager for PBS 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Resource Manager for SLURM 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Scalable Debug Manager (SDM) 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Services Framework 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP RDT Remote Tools Support 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Remote Development Tools (RDT) 4.0.2.201008111915
PTP Remote System Explorer Adapter 4.0.2.201008111915
Remote System Explorer End-User Runtime 3.2.0.v201005221100-7L78F9w8wqbPbMa4q_8Q9aKRhAED
RSE Core 3.2.0.v201005221100-7a7FFMRFC7sRd_SMeDdXwc
RSE DStore Services 3.2.0.v201005221100-7L77FD4EVVFKfFtSeLjMK
RSE FTP Service 3.0.200.v201005221100-780Bg9oB56N5J9QBADD
RSE Local Services 2.1.200.v201005221100-7B4F8OBgJ9Ai9_K_HT99
RSE SSH Services 3.0.100.v201005221100-7A2BhAkF77g7VEYDG7C
RSE Telnet Service 2.2.100.v201005221100-7730AkF77g7UDXELEF
RSE Terminals UI 1.0.100.v201005221100-77-DG9uCFhO1U8MBKRC63562
Target Management Terminal Widget 3.0.200.v201005220050-4-8Z7w312117152451
I use context menu in project explorer view and Now > Remote C/C++ project is available
I also have Window > Open Perspective... Other ... Remote C/C++
My Eclipse installation seems to be pretty stubborn as far as changes to the user interface are concerned. As already reported, there is no Window > Open Perspective > Remote C/C++ and no File > New > Remote C/C++ Project. There also is no New > Remote C/C++ project in the project explorer's context menu and no Window > Open Perspective > Other > Remote System Explorer or anything else related to RSE anywhere I looked. Also, the Eclipse Colorer plugin does not show up anywhere.

Could there be something wrong with my Eclipse installation altogether?
Anything in the error log that looks suspicious?
No.
If you are using RemoteTools as the service provider (instead of RSE) then it will move the server componet (rdt-server.jar) to the target machine for you, under the covers.
I downloaded rdt-server-linux-4.0.2.tar from an Eclipse mirror, wrapped it into a Debian daemon package and installed that packaged. That wouldn't have been necessary? Where would rdt-server.jar end up on the target machine if copied automagically?

The interdependencies of PTP, RSE, and RDT are still not very clear to me. Do I have a choice between RDT and RSE when I want to develop on a remote Linux machine? Do I need PTP for remote C++ development, as as prerequisite for RDT, or not at all?

Malte


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