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Re: [pmf-dev] Basic rules of PMF and eclipse talks

Yves,

Questions we are several to ask need answers.

If it is out of your responsability, as you said, then let us moving forward and contribute.

We will determine later an update of the scope by observing what has been brought.

Olivier

2009/12/15 <yves.yang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Olivier,

Unfortunately, the questions you ask, I cannot anwser. Again, it is out my
responsability. The decision at EclipseCon, I have stated these issues
clearly. You said "we" have decided in ESE. For me, we have discussed the
technical issues and possible integrations. I don't remember I agree with
the bundle of all products in PMF.

I repeat. These stuffs are out of my responsablity.

Please look at the current situation, the project is still at the early
stage. Nothing gets really proved. Why do we just seat down and work on
the project and make it successful? And in the mean time, we will try to
deal these isses with PMC and community when it is possible.

Thanks for your understanding.

Best regards
Yves YANG
> Yves,
>
> I don't want to answer on behalf of PMC members, but we had already BOF
> and
> meetings were decision has been taken in last EclipseCon and Eclipse
> Summit.
> I just propose to follow what we decided during ESE meeting (as democratic
> open source projects do).
>
> Why to change now ?
>
> Moreover, EclipseCon will be in more than 3 months and there is material
> to
> publish into the CVS.
>
> I guess that Ed and Ken could have a excellent understanding of what we
> need
> to decide by reading our discussions in PMF-dev mailing list.
> As I said in a previous post, my main concern is about PMF reputation and
> the difficulties we could face on while trying to extend initial team.
>
> I re-ask you the question : do you want to increase PMF team ? If yes,
> governance issues have to be discuss and fixed asap.
>
> Olivier
>
> 2009/12/15 <yves.yang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>> > Yves, in the case of your way to read the proposal is the one that
>> > everyone
>> > understand :
>> >
>> > Does it mean that the initial list was exhaustive ?
>> > Does it means that new solution/technologies will be de facto excluded
>> ?
>> > Does it means that we need to create a new eclipse project for the
>> same
>> > purpose : UI modeling ?
>> Olivier,
>>
>> It is said clearly that the project can be extended. But to extend the
>> scope and the content, we need to passe by PMC and community.
>>
>> I propose we organize a Bof in eclipsecon with PMC members and all
>> others.
>> You can ask them directly the questions. And make this kind of decision
>> together with PMC. Is it reasonable?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Yves YANG
>> > Olivier
>> >
>> > 2009/12/15 <yves.yang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> >> > In general, projects are restricted from including things outside
>> >> their
>> >> > scope. But I don't think the things Olivier are bringing up are
>> >> > obviously outside the scope. Therefore, Yves, you need to explain
>> >> better
>> >> > why some things are considered OK to include in the project, and
>> other
>> >> > things are not.
>> >> >
>> >> > So in the case of PMF, why is model-to-text transformations a
>> natural
>> >> > part of the project, and model-to-model transformations not? In
>> both
>> >> > cases, the point is ending up with artifacts (code, models,
>> supporting
>> >> > files) that can be executed or interpreted by a runtime.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> This template "JET" is in the proposal as a demonstrator. The
>> proposal
>> >> was
>> >> passed by project review. It is accepted by PMC and by the Community.
>> >> Any
>> >> change must be proved in the same way.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
>> >> Yves YANG
>> >> > Hallvard
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