Re: [platform-ui-dev] Remove the "Apply" button from the preferencepages

[Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> That makes me sad. :-(

Unfortunately we had too many -1 votes for the proposal.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Stefan Xenos <sxenos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> The result: -1 for the removal it is.
>
> That makes me sad. :-(
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:32 AM Stefan Xenos <sxenos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Dirk, you bring up a good point... and we should include that fix as a
>> prerequisite for removing the Apply button.
>>
>> However, the other use-cases on this thread seem pretty fringe (folks
>> could learn to live without them pretty easily). It's really hard to remove
>> UI because there's always someone arguing against it, but UI bloat is a
>> pretty big problem... so I think we should support this sort of
>> simplification effort where we can.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:14 AM Dirk Fauth <dirk.fauth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are also preferences that need to be applied in order to make
>>> further settings work. For example adding JDKs and reference them afterwards
>>> as execution environment. Without apply it is necessary to close the dialog
>>> and open it again. Unless these kind of dependencies are not solved also a
>>> -1 from my side.
>>>
>>> Am 12.07.2016 19:57 schrieb "Daniel Megert" <daniel_megert@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>
>>> +1 for what Sergey said and -1 for the proposal.
>>>
>>> Dani
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:        Sergey Prigogin <eclipse.sprigogin@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> To:        "Eclipse Platform UI component developers list."
>>> <platform-ui-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date:        12.07.2016 19:25
>>> Subject:        Re: [platform-ui-dev] Remove the "Apply" button from the
>>> preference        pages?
>>> Sent by:        platform-ui-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Apply button is valuable when making changes in many preference pages
>>> without closing the dialog. I tend to forget what changes I made in previous
>>> pages. To make sure that I accidentally don't cancel them later, I click
>>> Apply while I still have the changes in front of my eyes.
>>>
>>> -sergey
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> Friends of Platform UI,
>>>
>>> Our preference pages have an "Apply" button.
>>>
>>> AFAIK the current behavior is:
>>>
>>> Apply does trigger preference listeners and leaves the preference dialog
>>> open
>>> OK triggers the preference listeners and closes the preference dialog
>>>
>>> Personally as an IDE user I get confused by this button. I feel like I
>>> always need to press "Apply" before pressing OK which is of course not
>>> true.
>>>
>>> I suggest to remove this extra button and only leave OK to apply the
>>> changes and close the dialog. I don't think the option to apply the
>>> preference values immediately without leaving the dialog is very
>>> valuable for our users. The only "real" use case I'm aware of is for
>>> switching themes to preview the result.
>>>
>>> For me this scenario is actually bad, I tend to always press "Apply"
>>> before "OK" I actually suffer from the costs of switching CSS's twice.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Best regards, Lars
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