RE: [platform-ui-dev] Eclipse fullscreen? (was: Opera/Mozilla style mous

["Nick Edgar" <Nick_Edgar@xxxxxxx>]

Claude,

I think this would be an interesting area to explore, although I find it 
interesting not so much because of the gain in screen real-estate, but 
because it would push on more modeless styles of interaction like the ones 
you mention.  This can lead to gains in some of the more problematic areas 
in Eclipse (loss of context, editor management, etc.).

Nick






"Claude Knaus" <Claude_Knaus@xxxxxxx>
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In Opera, I browse in fullscreen mode now. I don't need any toolbar or 
menu bars. 
The important navigations I can do with gestures, for the other actions I 
know the key bindings by heart 
or can use the context menu. I like the fact that context menu is popped 
up when a word is selected 
(left mouse double-click). This saves an extra right-click . 
I only need to switch into non fullscreen mode when I change some 
preference settings and the like, which 
happens rarely. 

I was wondering if an IDE like Eclipse should also support fullscreen mode 
with just the editor visible. We have already 
features (fast views, browser like link navigation, wizardless 
private/local field/method/type renaming, on-demand outliner, 
etc.) which allow an editor centric, less disruptive workflow. To make it 
complete, we would need fullscreen shells 
and be able to hide the toolbar, menubar and perspective/fast view bar... 

-- Claude 




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Personally I think think could be a useful feature.  I have installed 
gesture recognition software on my desktop and found it to save me some 
effort for performing common tasks such as starting a Web Browser or 
closing programs.  Oddly, it seems to take me less time to sketch a quick 
W on my mouse than it does to click on the shortcut on my toolbar.  I 
believe this has something to do with the distance the mouse must travel 
away from my centre of attention.  Commands are usually grouped in a 
corner far away from where I am looking so that they are less distracting 
when I don't need them.  Of course, this immediately becomes a problem 
when I do need them and must refocus elsewhere.  Performing a gesture 
feels more natural because I can perform it blindly -- that much closer to 
the much coveted direct neural interface. 
  
As for the right mouse button inconsistency, there are easy solutions. 
First, this option should be user configurable with suitable platform 
specific defaults.  Second, I have found that my little used middle mouse 
button is the perfect candidate for marking gestures.  I use the wheel all 
of the time, but seldom do I click with it.  You mileage may vary. 
  
This sounds like an interesting experiment.  I look forward to hearing 
about what this might add to the usability of IDEs. 
  
Jeff. 
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This feature sounds like a waste of effort. 

1) No one is asking for this or really needs it 
2) Eclipse is not a web browser 
3) The right mouse button is used for the context menu 999 times out of 
1000.  That means that it is very likely a gesture will be incorrectly 
recognized when the user is just trying to get the context menu to appear. 
 Also, the results of a gesture having been interpreted are unexpected 
and/or subtle. 
4) This doesn't work on Motif.  The context menu must appear on mouse 
down. 
5) This creates either an inconsistancy or unwanted work for people 
writing Editors that aren't AbstractText editors. 



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>From: "Chris McLaren" <Chris_McLaren@xxxxxxx>
>> Technical note: Gestures are recognized when clicking within any
>> AbstractTextEditor. This class is used for editing text and java files,
>> among others, but you will probably encounter editors for which this
>> functionality is not currently enabled.
>
>Enabled? Does an editor have to do something special to enable?
>
>Bob 

AbstractTextEditor contains a small amount of code which hooks into the 
gesture recognition code. Extending this class would give you this feature 
automatically. The feature is only a day old now, over the next week or to 
we will try and solidify some of this functionality. Currently, the 
gesture code is internal and subject to change. 

Chris.