Re: [platform-swt-dev] Password Text

[Jesse Hill <jesshill@xxxxxxxxxx>]

>>Get real on the desktop and stop writing code to lay out panels and effecting property state. Humans, and that includes programmers, have a god-given and evoled miracle of a signal processor ... Use it for drawing GUIs. Stop writing mechanical code to effect property state or appearance in a GUI.

But I like writing code to effect property state and appearance in GUIs. I think it's the right thing to do. Code that can generate the right widgets and layout at runtime is a beautiful thing and it allows for extensible UIs. 

How do you draw something like Eclipse? The code adapts to all the plugins, views, actions, etc that are present at runtime. How do you draw a GUI when you don't know what it's going to look like? 

-Jesse

Lane Sharman <lane@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: platform-swt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx 03/03/2003 12:15 PM Please respond to platform-swt-dev

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And, now that my blood is hot on this topic, let me make a further, humbling observation.

After nearly ten years of deployment of the Java platform with a graphics engine built into it from the ground-up, we are consuming bandwidth on a global basis about how to set the echo character for a text field. If that is not a sad commentary on the state of the art after this many years, I do not know what else there could be. But, hey, write me offline if you need to vent. 

No doubt, Frederico is a good programmer. But I would fire his boss. Anyone in 2003 that is asking a valued and expensive programmer to write method calls to set primitive properties is sufferring from 20 years of technical amnesia. That's a manager I would fire on the spot. By my previous post, a lot of work needs to be done if this is the SWT art. QED.

Guys, this is not a rant. Get real on the desktop and stop writing code to lay out panels and effecting property state. Humans, and that includes programmers, have a god-given and evoled miracle of a signal processor. It is your eyeball-brain channel. Use it for drawing GUIs. Stop writing mechanical code to effect property state or appearance in a GUI. The guys at MS got this 15 years ago. Are we, the java community, so retarded that we think it is cool to write setters and getters that can be effected in a single, primordial method call during the instantiation, lifecycle and drawing of GUI?

Finally, it was a big mistake of mine to send to the list any announcements, spec sheets or anything else related to Conga. It was a typo of mine and I do not intend to change the signal to noise equation on this list with off-topic items such as Conga.

-Lane

Mike_Wilson@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Lane, 

First off, can we get off the "SWT is not pure Java" kick. SWT is "pure Java" in exactly the same sense that AWT/Swing is. Do you believe that the code which implements the AWT natives on a particular window system are written in Java? In particular, AWT/Swing have *more* of their implementation written in C than SWT does. That's one of the interesting things about SWT, aside from a minimal operating system interface layer (which some would argue should be directly supported by Java), *all* of SWT is written in Java. 

Secondly, it may not be the case that you are attempting to "poach" Eclipse developers to work on Conga, but it certainly looks that way from your message. Now, if you want to do that in a private email to individuals on the list, that's your prerogative, but using the SWT list for this seems inappropriate. 

McQ.

Lane Sharman <lane@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: platform-swt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx 03/03/03 10:27 AM Please respond to platform-swt-dev

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Greetings Federico, 

I read with interest your post below. 

Take a look at the attached spec sheet for Conga and get back with me if  you would like to work with Conga. I am looking for talented Java engineers  to whom I can refer Java on the Desktop projects. 

http://opendoors.com/conga   
Arthur Van Hoff deserves the lion's share of the credits. I think if you wanted to employ a really great  GUI tool for Java, Conga is hard to beat. Conga's GUI  model employs only the Java graphics engine. Conga widgets do  use or  subclass AWT or Swing. But they are 100% Java unlike SWT widgets. 

I would love to spend more time with you. Try Conga and let me know if you are interested in the informal referral program. :). 

Kindest regards, 

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Lane Sharmanhttp://opendoors.com Conga, GoodTimes and Application Hosting Serviceshttp://opendoors.com/lane.pdf BIO 



Federico Daniel Tello Gentile wrote: 

Is there any widget to input a password? (using ***** or something) 

Do I have to extend Text myself? Have you seen this kind of widget 
anywhere in SWT. I'm developping for windows in a PocketPC. 

Thank you! 
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#### CongaSpecSheet.pdf has been removed from this note on March 03, 2003 by Mike Wilson 

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Conga Spec Sheet: http://opendoors.com/conga/2.2/docs/CongaSpecSheet.pdf
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How I expended my youth: http://opendoors.com/lane.pdf