RE: [platform-core-dev] -1 for JamesBlackburnon eclipse.platform.coreby

[John Arthorne <John_Arthorne@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Your point 1) sounds good to me. I have
taken a stab at drafting something in our committer FAQ. I added some other
points to look for in new committers. Feel free to add/edit/adjust, etc.

http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse/Workspace/Committer_FAQ#Becoming_a_Committer

John

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Subject	RE: [platform-core-dev] -1 for        JamesBlackburnon        eclipse.platform.coreby John Arthorne

Hi all,

After thinking more about this, here is a suggestion to 
simplify matters:

1. For the future, only consider committed contributions when
   nominating new committers (and post this as a guideline on
   Wiki or so). 

   I didn't have this idea before, but it greatly simplifies 
   process since committed contributions are much easier to 
   find and they are known to be reviewed and considered 
   "good" already. So the work of finding, enumerating and
   evaluating contributions is much simpler and fair to all.

2. In the concrete case of James, everybody should feel free
   to vote based on their own assessment. Nobody should feel
   pushed into any direction.

   For James, I have done the work of finding, enumerating 
   and evaluating even uncommitted contributions already,
   and there are arguments in favor of considering them. All
   the information has been publicly posted. I guess I 
   wouldn't do it again based on (1), but now that the
   information is there, we could as well use it.

   If people think we should better wait, that's fine though.
   I prefer a clean and honest vote over any rushing.

Thanks,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
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Subject: RE: [platform-core-dev] -1 for JamesBlackburnon
eclipse.platform.coreby John Arthorne

> I understand that your decision Martin is caused by the fact that
> there are fixes that you or James want to squeeze in 3.6.

No, absolutely not!

Both James and I understand very well the importance of stability, and
he explicitly told me on his own account that he'd want to wait for
other committer's approval before actually making changes to the code.

On all of the bugs where I asked, James commented that he'd rather wait
for 3.7 than push it in prematurely.
You'll see this in the comments on bug
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=306822

The proposal of making James a Committer is related to the case that I
recently reviewed some of his patches and thought like "oh my, this
should really have been considered much earlier". 

Why hadn't it been considered earlier? Because nobody took the time
reviewing even additions of Unittests that would have been an asset at
any rate. How can this be improved? By adding more people to the team.
People like James, who have publicly shown diligence, understanding and
good judgement.

I understand John's arguing of waiting for more public record (but note
that John missed some very good contributions, as well as the time span
when these contributions were originally made). Like Doug, I do not
understand the value of waiting per se.

Szymon, I really appreciate your offering direct contact to get things
reviewed early. But I think we'll be even more effective if there's more
committers that can handle simple things themselves, such that you can
focus on the hard things. Quite frankly, I nominated James because I see
potential for him helping out with things that I don't have time for in
the longer run.

I'm not going to argue much more about this committer nomination, and if
people think we should really wait, well, we can wait since there's more
urgent things to be done than arguing among ourselves. But I did want to
set our (my) motivation straight.

Martin
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