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Re: [ormf-dev] Re: Testing in ORMF Eclipse Project

Understood!  :-)


On 30 Sep 2008, at 18:17, Flavelle Ballem wrote:


Many thanks for your encouraging words!

Having said that, I'd prefer to work through others until I'm farther
along on the learning curve.

Thanks for understanding.


On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:48 +0100, Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:

For my part, I am quite happy with whichever way you feel you want to
contribute to ORMF. However I would just like to point out that the
fact that you have a learning curve on tasks is not a sufficient
reason for not being a committer (hmm, too many negatives here
perhaps... :-). I think declaring oneself a committer essentially
means being sold on what the project is trying to accomplish and being
willing to devote a self declared X amount of time to the project.
What is achievable in that time X has then to be taken into
consideration when planning work, depending upon the learning curve
required for the specific task assigned on a case by case basis.

So I think that on both counts (i.e. being sold on ORMF and being
willing to devote a given amount of time to it) you have already stood
up and declared yourself. By all means, choose to act in whichever
role feels most comfortable to you, but I personally think you would
be a perfect candidate for a committer.

Just my two pence,


On 30 Sep 2008, at 14:18, Flavelle Ballem wrote:

Given the current state of my learning curve, I would prefer to work
through Achim for the testing until all of us are little more
comfortable that a) I know what I'm doing and b) We're all comfortable
working with each other on an ongoing basis.

Since I'm still learning what I am doing at a very basic level, I
suggest that a) is not yet satisfied.

I may be assuming something that is not true, but I get a sense that
Joel, Barbara, and Achim have worked together in the past and are
comfortable with each other. I'm the new kid on the block, so it may
take some time before b) is satisfied.

To put some perspective around the learning curve, I am going to
have to
learn how to submit a patch for review in Eclipse. For that matter,
I am
still going to have to learn Eclipse. Coming from a Visual
Studio/Microsoft Office world, there is still a lot that is new!

If this is satisfactory, then I'll happily work through Achim for the
testing. As well, I keep my eyes open for other holes in the project
that I may be able to plug and try and work through various learning
curves as quickly as possible.

There are a couple of housekeeping items that you should be aware of:

1/ I live in Toronto, Canada. Current time is UTC -4 hours, but when
Daylight Savings Time ends, it will be UTC - 5 hours. I also have a
time job and no access to Eclipse or my e-mail during working hours.
bulk of my work on the project will be done during the evenings or
mornings. I am estimating that I will be able to spend approximately 6
hours per week, in addition to the Sunday conference calls (at about
4:00 p.m. Toronto time).

2/ Although English is my first language, the spelling standard may
be a
little different than you are used to. As a rough guide to Canadian
English spelling, if a word is different between British and American
English, then whichever occurs first in the dictionary will
generally be
used - with the exception of words ending in 'our' (British) and
'or' (American). There is ambivalence around 'ize' and 'ise'. Most
Canadians use 'ize'. As well, the words 'amongst' and 'whilst' are
considered archaic and are never used. We also use commas after the
item in a list before 'and' or 'or' - the Americans do not.

3/ I have learned to use unambiguous short-form dates. In many places,
dates are written 04/05/2008, which could mean either April 5, 2008 or
May 4, 2008. For this reason, I have always written Apr-5-2008, which
removes all ambiguity. In Canada, we tend to follow the American model
of M/D/YYYY, except in government publications which are D/M/YYYY. Now
you understand why I use unambiguous short-form dates. If there is a
standard that you prefer to use, then I will conform to it.


On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 12:49 +0100, Joel Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
Achim, Flavelle,

It would be fabulous for Flavelle to assist with the testing. Both
Barbara and are well aware of (and greatly appreciate) his eagerness
to participate and he has our total support. The only issue is that
is not (yet?) a committer. This means that the work he does has to be
submitted as a patch and reviewed by a committer before being checked
in; I would anticipate that Achim would do the review in this case.
Very possibly this is the perfect opportunity to start discussing
having Flavelle becoming a committer if he desires. Flavelle is this
something you would aspire to? Before replying you might want to have
a look at what this entails here on the Eclipse website. If you are
interested then I would suggest that you contribute to the testing
after you have made several contributions I would be happy to
you. In either case your contributions would be greatly valued.


On 30 Sep 2008, at 08:17, Achim Loerke wrote:

Hi Flavelle,

if you're interested in using GUIdancer for any Eclipse project just
go ahead. The license is legally limited to this purpose. Of course
ORMF is the best choice :-)

I'm not sure how we should proceed from here. Joel, is it okay to
split up the test work between Vasile, Flavelle and me? Do you have
other plans? Flavelle, if memory serves right you offered help in
the documentation and testing area. I assume you have experience (or
at least a strong interest) in this area. Maybe this would leave
Vasile with more time to do development work?

And GUIdancer runs on Linux (our development system is Fedora8). Be
aware that there are a lot more bugs/inconsistencies in the GTK port
of SWT than in the win32 port which sometimes show up during


Flavelle Ballem wrote:
Thanks for the information. I will wait until Achim tells me that
wants me to install it or not.
I'm assuming that if you want me to install GuiDancer - either now
or at
some time in the future, then you can please let me know. If we do
proceed, please accept my assurance on behalf of Ballemco Inc.
that we
will use GuiDancer only in connection with any testing that is
under the ORMF project.
Please be aware that we are a Linux shop - running ubuntu 8.04 on
desktop and servers.
Many thanks,
Flavelle Ballem
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 14:19 +0200, GUIdancer Support wrote:

Please register at www.guidancer.com and download the latest
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in order to find your serverID. Please send us your serverID so
that we can send you a license. If you have any problems along
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With best regards,
Your GUIdancer Support Team

Flavelle Ballem wrote:
Could I please have access to further information and a
license for
GUIDancer for testing in the ORMF project under Eclipse?

Flavelle Ballem
Ballemco Inc.

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