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Re: [ormf-dev] Re: Testing in ORMF Eclipse Project

Barb:

Many thanks for your encouraging words!

Having said that, I'd prefer to work through others until I'm farther
along on the learning curve.

Thanks for understanding.

Flavelle

On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:48 +0100, Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
> Flavelle,
> 
> For my part, I am quite happy with whichever way you feel you want to  
> contribute to ORMF. However I would just like to point out that the  
> fact that you have a learning curve on tasks is not a sufficient  
> reason for not being a committer (hmm, too many negatives here  
> perhaps... :-). I think declaring oneself a committer essentially  
> means being sold on what the project is trying to accomplish and being  
> willing to devote a self declared X amount of time to the project.  
> What is achievable in that time X has then to be taken into  
> consideration when planning work, depending upon the learning curve  
> required for the specific task assigned on a case by case basis.
> 
> So I think that on both counts (i.e. being sold on ORMF and being  
> willing to devote a given amount of time to it) you have already stood  
> up and declared yourself. By all means, choose to act in whichever  
> role feels most comfortable to you, but I personally think you would  
> be a perfect candidate for a committer.
> 
> Just my two pence,
> 
> B.
> 
> On 30 Sep 2008, at 14:18, Flavelle Ballem wrote:
> 
> > Given the current state of my learning curve, I would prefer to work
> > through Achim for the testing until all of us are little more
> > comfortable that a) I know what I'm doing and b) We're all comfortable
> > working with each other on an ongoing basis.
> >
> > Since I'm still learning what I am doing at a very basic level, I  
> > would
> > suggest that a) is not yet satisfied.
> >
> > I may be assuming something that is not true, but I get a sense that
> > Joel, Barbara, and Achim have worked together in the past and are
> > comfortable with each other. I'm the new kid on the block, so it may
> > take some time before b) is satisfied.
> >
> > To put some perspective around the learning curve, I am going to  
> > have to
> > learn how to submit a patch for review in Eclipse. For that matter,  
> > I am
> > still going to have to learn Eclipse. Coming from a Visual
> > Studio/Microsoft Office world, there is still a lot that is new!
> >
> > If this is satisfactory, then I'll happily work through Achim for the
> > testing. As well, I keep my eyes open for other holes in the project
> > that I may be able to plug and try and work through various learning
> > curves as quickly as possible.
> >
> > There are a couple of housekeeping items that you should be aware of:
> >
> > 1/ I live in Toronto, Canada. Current time is UTC -4 hours, but when
> > Daylight Savings Time ends, it will be UTC - 5 hours. I also have a  
> > full
> > time job and no access to Eclipse or my e-mail during working hours.  
> > The
> > bulk of my work on the project will be done during the evenings or  
> > early
> > mornings. I am estimating that I will be able to spend approximately 6
> > hours per week, in addition to the Sunday conference calls (at about
> > 4:00 p.m. Toronto time).
> >
> > 2/ Although English is my first language, the spelling standard may  
> > be a
> > little different than you are used to. As a rough guide to Canadian
> > English spelling, if a word is different between British and American
> > English, then whichever occurs first in the dictionary will  
> > generally be
> > used - with the exception of words ending in 'our' (British) and
> > 'or' (American). There is ambivalence around 'ize' and 'ise'. Most
> > Canadians use 'ize'. As well, the words 'amongst' and 'whilst' are
> > considered archaic and are never used. We also use commas after the  
> > last
> > item in a list before 'and' or 'or' - the Americans do not.
> >
> > 3/ I have learned to use unambiguous short-form dates. In many places,
> > dates are written 04/05/2008, which could mean either April 5, 2008 or
> > May 4, 2008. For this reason, I have always written Apr-5-2008, which
> > removes all ambiguity. In Canada, we tend to follow the American model
> > of M/D/YYYY, except in government publications which are D/M/YYYY. Now
> > you understand why I use unambiguous short-form dates. If there is a
> > standard that you prefer to use, then I will conform to it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Flavelle
> >
> > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 12:49 +0100, Joel Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
> >> Achim, Flavelle,
> >>
> >>
> >> It would be fabulous for Flavelle to assist with the testing. Both
> >> Barbara and are well aware of (and greatly appreciate) his eagerness
> >> to participate and he has our total support. The only issue is that  
> >> he
> >> is not (yet?) a committer. This means that the work he does has to be
> >> submitted as a patch and reviewed by a committer before being checked
> >> in; I would anticipate that Achim would do the review in this case.
> >> Very possibly this is the perfect opportunity to start discussing
> >> having Flavelle becoming a committer if he desires. Flavelle is this
> >> something you would aspire to? Before replying you might want to have
> >> a look at what this entails here on the Eclipse website. If you are
> >> interested then I would suggest that you contribute to the testing  
> >> and
> >> after you have made several contributions I would be happy to  
> >> nominate
> >> you. In either case your contributions would be greatly valued.
> >>
> >>
> >> Joel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 30 Sep 2008, at 08:17, Achim Loerke wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Flavelle,
> >>>
> >>> if you're interested in using GUIdancer for any Eclipse project just
> >>> go ahead. The license is legally limited to this purpose. Of course
> >>> ORMF is the best choice :-)
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure how we should proceed from here. Joel, is it okay to
> >>> split up the test work between Vasile, Flavelle and me? Do you have
> >>> other plans? Flavelle, if memory serves right you offered help in
> >>> the documentation and testing area. I assume you have experience (or
> >>> at least a strong interest) in this area. Maybe this would leave
> >>> Vasile with more time to do development work?
> >>>
> >>> And GUIdancer runs on Linux (our development system is Fedora8). Be
> >>> aware that there are a lot more bugs/inconsistencies in the GTK port
> >>> of SWT than in the win32 port which sometimes show up during
> >>> testing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Achim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Flavelle Ballem wrote:
> >>>> Thanks for the information. I will wait until Achim tells me that
> >>>> he
> >>>> wants me to install it or not.
> >>>> Achim:
> >>>> I'm assuming that if you want me to install GuiDancer - either now
> >>>> or at
> >>>> some time in the future, then you can please let me know. If we do
> >>>> proceed, please accept my assurance on behalf of Ballemco Inc.
> >>>> that we
> >>>> will use GuiDancer only in connection with any testing that is
> >>>> required
> >>>> under the ORMF project.
> >>>> Please be aware that we are a Linux shop - running ubuntu 8.04 on
> >>>> desktop and servers.
> >>>> Many thanks,
> >>>> Flavelle Ballem
> >>>> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 14:19 +0200, GUIdancer Support wrote:
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please register at www.guidancer.com and download the latest
> >>>>> version of GUIdancer. Follow the steps described on the website
> >>>>> in order to find your serverID. Please send us your serverID so
> >>>>> that we can send you a license. If you have any problems along
> >>>>> the way, please do not hesitate to contact us for assistance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With best regards,
> >>>>> Your GUIdancer Support Team
> >>>>> (ZF)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Flavelle Ballem wrote:
> >>>>>> Could I please have access to further information and a
> >>>>>> license for
> >>>>>> GUIDancer for testing in the ORMF project under Eclipse?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Flavelle Ballem
> >>>>>> Ballemco Inc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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