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Re: [ormf-dev] Setting out task

My apologies.

I volunteered to look into a teleconferencing/ whiteboard solutions for us, following Ben's suggestion, but let the ball drop. I believe I still need to do that research for the whiteboard part, as a whiteboard session would need to work across Macs -- please correct me if I am wrong.

B.

On 3 Sep 2008, at 14:13, Joel Rosi-Schwartz wrote:


On 3 Sep 2008, at 13:29, Achim Loerke wrote:

Joel Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
Yes that does help to a degree. It is my (our?) plan to manage tasks out of Bugzilla, but the process of getting to agreement on what tasks need to be addressed, i.e. the direction of the project, needs a different platform for discussion.

Discussions are mostly not doable with mailing lists. I think a chat or a Skype conference would be more appropriate. There is also the possibility to use my companies account on a web conferencing system but the client program is only available for Windows (which may be a no go for B. and Joel).

I am baffled as to why discussions should not be doable by mailing lists, but the to date I have to agree that the results on this list have not been satisfactory so perhaps you are right. It has simply not been my experience in the past.

The web conferencing being Windows only is not necessarily an issue. We do have VMware partitions on our Macs or as a last resort, if that does not work well, we have Windows workstations that we use for testing, etc., that could be used in a pinch. Willing to give it a go if you can arrange it on your side.



My overriding concern is that to date the ORMF team is simply not gelling. Perhaps I simply have accept the fact the we simply do not have a viable team at this stage.

Perhaps you should wait a few more weeks before jumping to conclusions :-)

Let's start working using Bugzilla for detailed topics and see what happens.

Achim

Joel
On 3 Sep 2008, at 12:39, Richard Gronback wrote:
Bugzilla is typically where individual tasks are managed, with the usual practice of CCs and dependency links used to keep everyone informed of task state changes. There is typically a default *-inbox alias provided for components in Bugzilla as the default assignee, which allows everyone on the team to watch all new bugs arriving so that they can CC themselves to ones of interest.

So while it's not as ideal as everyone sitting in the same office and having daily interaction, it does work fairly well in distributed teams. It's just a matter of getting used to it and sticking to an agreed upon process. Mailing lists work well for certain things, but as mentioned already, Bugzilla is where the majority of development tasks and discussions traditionally take place on Eclipse projects. This doesn't mean you have to do it this way, of course. There is typically a balance of mailing list, bugzilla, wiki, and conference call activity on projects. Perhaps Mylyn would be helpful to use on ORMF to assist with Bugzilla and task management?

HTH,
Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: ormf-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ormf-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx ] On Behalf Of Joel Rosi-Schwartz
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:26 AM
To: The Open Requirements Management Framework project development list
Subject: Re: [ormf-dev] Setting out task

You bring up an interesting subject that does need to be clarified.
What is the purpose of the ormf-dev mail list? It appears from perusing other dev lists of Eclipse projectw, that the list usage is typically of a bureaucratic nature, f.i. votes, releases, etc.. So if we follow this pattern, which is what I gather Achim is inferring, then where do we have team communications? In my opinion lack of communication is a major issue with the ORMF team, so simply delegating task in Bugzilla is going to do little towards team building. Surely we should start having regular (weekly?) team conference calls, but is that sufficient? Personally I do not think so.

I would very much appreciate advice from our mentors on these points.

Thanks,
Joel



On 3 Sep 2008, at 08:01, Achim Loerke wrote:

Just a short reply: we are currently switching our operating
environment from Windows Server 2003 32bit to Windows Server 2008
64bit. It all works reasonably well but takes up most of my time. I
will start working on the CQs in the next few days.

I think it's best not to use ormf-dev for discussions regarding the individual tasks if the topic is not of general interest. So if there are no different opinions I'll limit emails to ormf-dev regarding my
tasks to status reports and the occasional cry for help.

Achim
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